[EURO-Discuss] not so fast (Re: SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL)

[Nick Ashton-Hart]

See below

On 28/03/07, Thomas Roessler <roessler at does-not-exist.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> how about an answer to the questions in this message?
>
> | From: Thomas Roessler <roessler at does-not-exist.org>
> | To: nick.ashton-hart at icann.org,
> |        Discussion for At-Large Europe <
> euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> | Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:05:55 +0200
> | Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs
>
> On another matter, I notice the following in your proposed
> electronic signing statement:
>
> | I hereby consent for [INSERT ORGANISATION FULL NAME] to be bound by
> | the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding between ICANN and the
> | Signing Organisations in the European Region as if I were personally
> | signing the document.
>
> How does this language (which clearly suggests some kind of binding
> effect) mix with this statement of yours to the na-discuss list,
> made last Friday?


I do not see any conflict. Both sides agree to do several things, and they
agree to some benefits. It is an agreement. The fact that it is not intended
as a contract for enforcement in courts does not change that both sides are
making an agreement with one another.

Hopefully that's helpful.

| From:  "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart at icann.org>
> | Subj:  Re: [NA-Discuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended
> beneficiary
> |   of RALO MOUs
> | Date:  Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am
> | Size:  2K
> | To:  "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy at seltzer.com>
> | cc:  "Michael Maranda" <mmaranda at afcn.org>,
> na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> |
> | To clarify, as I have been given to understand the MoUs between ICANN
> | and the regions is not a contract as that term is understood in law.
> | It is an agreement, but not of legal standing such as a contract.
>
> Thanks for your clarification,
> --
> Thomas Roessler   <roessler at does-not-exist.org>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2007-03-28 13:13:25 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
> > From: Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart at icann.org>
> > To: bruch at humanistische-union.de, kiravuo at tml.hut.fi,
> >       Wolfgang Kleinwächter
> >       <Wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>,
> >       wolfgang at imv.au.dk, aoliva at isoc-cat.org, aoliva at diplomaticnet.com,
> >       dpefeva at isoc.bg, patrick at vande-walle.eu, Patrick at isoc.lu,
> >       rudi.vansnick at isoc.be, sebastien.bachollet at isoc.fr
> > Cc: Europe Discuss <euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:13:25 +0100
> > Subject: [EURO-Discuss] SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL
> > Reply-To: Discussion for At-Large Europe
> >       <euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > List-Id: Discussion for At-Large Europe
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> >
> > Dear All:
> >
> > I have heard from the following people with the details required to
> finish
> > the signature page.
> >
> > IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST BELOW PLEASE REPLY ASAP (BEFORE END OF DAY
> > WEDNESDAY) OR YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE SIGNERS OF THE MOU ON THURSDAY!
> >
> > Internet Society - Bulgaria
> > Signing person: Dragoslava Pefeva
> > Position: Coordinator for ALAC
> >
> > Name of Organisation: Medienstadt Leipzig e.V.
> >
> > Name of Signer: Wolfgang Kleinwächter
> >
> > Position of Signer: Member of the Board
> >
> > > Name of Organisation : Internet Society Belgium
> >
> > > Name of Signer : Rudi Vansnick
> >
> > > Position of Signer : Chair
> >
> > Name of Organisation   Internet Society Luxembourg
> >
> > Name of Signer             Patrick Vande Walle
> >
> > Position of Signer         Chairman
> >
> > Name of Organisation Chapitre français de l'Internet Society – Isoc
> > France
> >
> > Name of Signer Sébastien Bachollet
> >
> > Position of Signer Président
> >
> >
> > DIGITAL SIGNERS
> >
> > (SEE SEPARATE EMAIL ON THIS SUBJECT)
> >
> > Christophe BRUCH
> > "German Civil Liberties Union / Humanistische Union" (GCLU)
> >
> > Board Member
> >
> > > Name of Organisation: netzwerk neue medien (nnm) - network new media
> > (nnm)
> >
> > > Name of Signer: Annette Muehlberg
> >
> > > Position of Signer: Chair
>
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