See below<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 28/03/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Thomas Roessler</b> <<a href="mailto:roessler@does-not-exist.org">roessler@does-not-exist.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi Nick,<br><br>how about an answer to the questions in this message?<br><br>| From: Thomas Roessler <<a href="mailto:roessler@does-not-exist.org">roessler@does-not-exist.org</a>><br>| To: <a href="mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org">
nick.ashton-hart@icann.org</a>,<br>| Discussion for At-Large Europe <<a href="mailto:euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>| Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:05:55 +0200<br>
| Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs<br><br>On another matter, I notice the following in your proposed<br>electronic signing statement:<br><br>| I hereby consent for [INSERT ORGANISATION FULL NAME] to be bound by
<br>| the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding between ICANN and the<br>| Signing Organisations in the European Region as if I were personally<br>| signing the document.<br><br>How does this language (which clearly suggests some kind of binding
<br>effect) mix with this statement of yours to the na-discuss list,<br>made last Friday?</blockquote><div><br>I do not see any conflict. Both sides agree to do several things, and they agree to some benefits. It is an agreement. The fact that it is not intended as a contract for enforcement in courts does not change that both sides are making an agreement with one another.
<br><br>Hopefully that's helpful.<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">| From: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <
<a href="mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org">nick.ashton-hart@icann.org</a>><br>| Subj: Re: [NA-Discuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended beneficiary<br>| of RALO MOUs<br>| Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am<br>
| Size: 2K<br>| To: "Wendy Seltzer" <<a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.com">wendy@seltzer.com</a>><br>| cc: "Michael Maranda" <<a href="mailto:mmaranda@afcn.org">mmaranda@afcn.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">
na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>|<br>| To clarify, as I have been given to understand the MoUs between ICANN<br>| and the regions is not a contract as that term is understood in law.<br>| It is an agreement, but not of legal standing such as a contract.
<br><br>Thanks for your clarification,<br>--<br>Thomas Roessler <<a href="mailto:roessler@does-not-exist.org">roessler@does-not-exist.org</a>><br><br><br><br><br><br>On 2007-03-28 13:13:25 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
<br>> From: Nick Ashton-Hart <<a href="mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org">nick.ashton-hart@icann.org</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:bruch@humanistische-union.de">bruch@humanistische-union.de</a>, <a href="mailto:kiravuo@tml.hut.fi">
kiravuo@tml.hut.fi</a>,<br>> Wolfgang Kleinwächter<br>> <<a href="mailto:Wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de">Wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>>,<br>> <a href="mailto:wolfgang@imv.au.dk">
wolfgang@imv.au.dk</a>, <a href="mailto:aoliva@isoc-cat.org">aoliva@isoc-cat.org</a>, <a href="mailto:aoliva@diplomaticnet.com">aoliva@diplomaticnet.com</a>,<br>> <a href="mailto:dpefeva@isoc.bg">dpefeva@isoc.bg</a>
, <a href="mailto:patrick@vande-walle.eu">patrick@vande-walle.eu</a>, <a href="mailto:Patrick@isoc.lu">Patrick@isoc.lu</a>,<br>> <a href="mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be">rudi.vansnick@isoc.be</a>, <a href="mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr">
sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr</a><br>> Cc: Europe Discuss <<a href="mailto:euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:13:25 +0100<br>> Subject: [EURO-Discuss] SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL
<br>> Reply-To: Discussion for At-Large Europe<br>> <<a href="mailto:euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>> List-Id: Discussion for At-Large Europe<br>> <euro-discuss_atlarge-
<a href="http://lists.icann.org.atlarge-lists.icann.org">lists.icann.org.atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>> X-Spam-Level:<br>> X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.5<br>><br>> Dear All:
<br>><br>> I have heard from the following people with the details required to finish<br>> the signature page.<br>><br>> IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST BELOW PLEASE REPLY ASAP (BEFORE END OF DAY<br>> WEDNESDAY) OR YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE SIGNERS OF THE MOU ON THURSDAY!
<br>><br>> Internet Society - Bulgaria<br>> Signing person: Dragoslava Pefeva<br>> Position: Coordinator for ALAC<br>><br>> Name of Organisation: Medienstadt Leipzig e.V.<br>><br>> Name of Signer: Wolfgang Kleinwächter
<br>><br>> Position of Signer: Member of the Board<br>><br>> > Name of Organisation : Internet Society Belgium<br>><br>> > Name of Signer : Rudi Vansnick<br>><br>> > Position of Signer : Chair
<br>><br>> Name of Organisation Internet Society Luxembourg<br>><br>> Name of Signer Patrick Vande Walle<br>><br>> Position of Signer Chairman<br>><br>> Name of Organisation Chapitre français de l'Internet Society – Isoc
<br>> France<br>><br>> Name of Signer Sébastien Bachollet<br>><br>> Position of Signer Président<br>><br>><br>> DIGITAL SIGNERS<br>><br>> (SEE SEPARATE EMAIL ON THIS SUBJECT)<br>><br>> Christophe BRUCH
<br>> "German Civil Liberties Union / Humanistische Union" (GCLU)<br>><br>> Board Member<br>><br>> > Name of Organisation: netzwerk neue medien (nnm) - network new media<br>> (nnm)<br>><br>
> > Name of Signer: Annette Muehlberg<br>><br>> > Position of Signer: Chair<br><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> EURO-Discuss mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">
EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>> <a href="http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org">http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org
</a><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>-- <br>Regards,<br> <br>Nick Ashton-Hart<br>PO Box 32160<br>London N4 2XY<br>United Kingdom<br>UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011<br>USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460<br>
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