[EURO-Discuss] R: R: Decertification of EURALO ALSes

Tue Jun 3 18:10:19 UTC 2014

I know that I am not going to make friends with this message, but that's it, I am used to say what I think anyway.
Let me remind a couple of commitments included in the application form that *all* ALSes have agreed upon and signed.
*	Does your Organisation commit to supporting its individual constituents'/membership's informed participation in ICANN?
*	If your Organisation is accredited, will it commit to participating actively in the Regional At-Large Organisation (RALO) for the region in which your Organisation is based?
In my opinion, organizations that have given no sign of life for years have failed to maintain the commitment that they have willingly signed: to keep them in will be an insult to the many who have provided volounteer work and support to ALAC.
I believe that we should even think about more stringent criteria to apply for being an ALS, and to keep accreditation over time. Maybe time has come to discuss this.
Many organizations require members to pay fees, EURALO requires no fees but participation, it is clearly spelled out. Not to participate in EURALO is equivalent to not to pay membership fees to an organization. And this is normally a good reason for suspension of organizational membership, and, if not corrected, expulsion.
Cheers,
Roberto

> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-
> bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Wolf Ludwig
> Inviato: martedì 3 giugno 2014 18:11
> A: EMP; W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.)
> Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe
> Oggetto: Re: [EURO-Discuss] R: Decertification of EURALO ALSes
> 
> Hello,
> 
> just for clarification: the problem of some not-responding ALSes didn't bump
> up just recently but was discussed over the last 3 years when these ALSes
> were listed and known as problem cases already! Anybody could have
> stepped in and help to push them -- what was repeatedly done by myself
> without any response over years. Don't tell me that anybody who WANTS "to
> be heard" is not getting a chance of being heard at EURALO.
> 
> If you take the time and read the reasons specified to each candidate and
> case (see attached PDF - all done in my free time BTW), you will see that they
> got their chance "to be heard" and to respond to it.
> 
> Best,
> Wolf
> 
> 
> EMP wrote Tue, 3 Jun 2014 14:54:
> >Dear Werner,
> >
> >Thank you very much for your answer. I fully support your position -
> >"in my view, any organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a
> >chance to be heard", and I did my best to initiate ANY discussion at
> >least.
> >
> >Keep in touch,
> >Best regards,
> >Oksana
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:46 PM, "W. Hülsmann (DVD e.V.)" <
> >huelsmann at datenschutzverein.org> wrote:
> >
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> >> Dear Oksana,
> >>
> >> I met members of Terre de Femmes at various events. If I had known
> >> that wolf is looking for them, I would have been able to ask them
> >> directly.
> >>
> >> But since I have read it only a few days ago, I could only tell him
> >> the official office address. I know this is not so much help. But
> >> more than a side note, it should not be. And I did not want to
> >> initiate a discussion about it already. However, in my view, any
> >> organization whose exclusion is pre see, should get a chance to be heard.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Werner
> >>
> >> Am 03.06.2014 13:13, schrieb EMP:
> >> > Dear Werner,
> >> >
> >> > Do you know anybody from TERRE DES FEMMES e. V in person?
> >> >
> >> > Is it possible for you to contact them directly?
> >> >
> >> > Best regards, Oksana
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, EMP <info at euromediaplatform.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Dear Olivier,
> >> >>
> >> >> I completely share your vision!
> >> >>
> >> >> "The RALO leadership ... needs to push forward with the active
> >> >> ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard".
> >> >>
> >> >> Best regards, Oksana
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:06 PM, TaC International <
> >> >> contact at againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Olivier,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I completely share your vision and of course all my support to
> >> >>> Wolf, Best regards, Yuliya
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Le 03.06.2014 12:45, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
> >> >>>
> >> >>> +1
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> After the At-Large Summit, RALOs will be solicited much more in
> >> >>>> obtaining end user input. The RALO leadership cannot spend its
> >> >>>> time looking for lost sheep. It needs to push forward with the
> >> >>>> active ALSes in making sure the region's voices are heard. Kind
> >> >>>> regards,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Olivier
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 03/06/2014 11:18, William Drake wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> I strongly agree with Roberto here and support Wolf’s stance.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Bill
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Roberto Gaetano
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I strongly support Wolf.
> >> >>>>>> I believe that it is not incumbent on the Chair to run after
> >> >>>>>> members who show little interest in participating:
> >> >>>>>> he is spending enough time in coordinating the work of the
> >> >>>>>> members who do participate, in order to get results for the
> >> >>>>>> benefit of ALAC. Cheers, R.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>
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