[EURO-Discuss] Lisbon GA meeting minutes

Wolf Ludwig wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net
Wed Jun 26 15:16:37 UTC 2013


May I suggest that we leave any further consideration and final decision on this matter to experienced Board members and At-Large Staff (as meeting minutes are not a "wish list")!

Best, Wolf


EMP wrote Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:55:
>Dear Wolf,
>
>After GA I was in the same room with you for some hours. I really received
>a lot of congratulations for my election, in part from Ukraine. Moreover, I
>withdrew my application for Buenos-Aires as a fellow, becouse I understood,
>that the election is done.
>
>What I am talking about? Is it surprise for me that you can not look at my
>eyes directly and you can not share with me what "was sensed during the
>meeting and intensively discussed afterwards at the Outreach reception
>already"?
>
>It was not said during GA. It can not be in minutes.
>
>Thank you very much for your understanding,
>Best regards,
>Oksana
>
>On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net>wrote:
>
>> Hi Oksana,
>>
>> first of all, thanks for your kind wishes.
>>
>> Regarding your suggestion on the minutes "to remove" the sentence you
>> quoted, this is an important reference to the Bylaws and non-validity of
>> the first voting round (and not only as you said, "that provokes a lot of
>> problems"). Some of the members present in the room realized during the
>> meeting already that this voting result doesn't match respective Bylaws
>> requirements. And as we mentioned during the extraordinary Board meeting on
>> Thursday night, we (incl. Olivier who was chairing this part) didn't ask
>> for an immediate time-out because of the VIP guests in the room.
>>
>> Brief: This non-conformability of the voting result with our Bylaws was
>> not "raised in public only the day after GA", as you said, but was sensed
>> during the meeting and intensively discussed afterwards at the Outreach
>> reception already. That's why we convened this extraordinary Board meeting.
>> And to be on the safe side, we assigned some Board members with an
>> *in-depth Bylaw check* on Thursday night. The outcome of their check
>> confirmed what we sensed before and the need of a "run-off vote" what Staff
>> started to prepare immediately afterwards (what was opened yesterday
>> Online).
>>
>> What you suggested "to remove" is a *factual finding* (even if finally
>> confirmed after the meeting) that needs to be mentioned in the minutes!
>> Otherwise  this part of the minutes would read as this voting result would
>> have been valid.
>>
>> For the rest of your proposals, I leave this to the new Board for further
>> consideration.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Wolf
>>
>>
>> EMP wrote Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:49:
>> >Dear Wolf,
>> >
>> >Happy birthday to you and best wishes!
>> >
>> >Dear Jordi, dear Manuel,
>> >
>> >Thank you very-very much for your minutes - your volunteering was of
>> >crucial importance!
>> >
>> >Dear Jordi,
>> >
>> >Can I ask you to remove the remark
>> >
>> >*There is no majority required as stated by EURALO’s bylaws (11.18 and
>> >11.20), a second round (run-off vote) will be held online in a few days
>> >after the meeting.*
>> >
>> >from GA minutes? This point was raised in public only the day after GA,
>> and
>> >that provokes a lot of problems.
>> >
>> >I would like also to repeat my proposition regarding Working
>> Group/Advisory
>> >Councils.
>> >
>> >Just now we have 8 voting members of EURALO Board:
>> >
>> >Mr. Frans Gerbosch* - ISOC Belgium
>> >
>> >Mr. Yrjö Länsipuro* - ISOC Finland
>> >
>> >Mr. Jordi Iparraguirre* - ISOC Catalonia
>> >
>> >Mr. William Drake* - Ind. member
>> >
>> >Ms. Annette Mühlberg* - NNM Germany
>> >
>> >Ms. Desiree Miloshevic* - Ind. member
>> >
>> >Mr. Manuel Schneider* - Wikimedia CH + A
>> >
>> >Mr. Lutz Donnerhacke* - FITUG
>> >
>> >I propose for each of them to choose his or her own priority and chair
>> >respective direction of future work.
>> >
>> >Besides, we discussed the need to re-write existing EURALO By-laws. This
>> >idea was supported by Yrjo, and it would be great, if he could chair this
>> >working group (I would be happy to participate in it).
>> >
>> >From my side, I propose to create WG/AC on capacity building/team
>> building.
>> >I would be happy to see everyone from you in it, but I would like to
>> invite
>> >in person Lutz (to avoid any problems with privacy) and Manuel (to explore
>> >better tools of on-line communication).
>> >
>> >My last proposition - to enhance national and thematic components during
>> >our monthly teleconference calls.
>> >
>> >For example, it would be great, if anybody from Germany  (the country with
>> >maximal number of ALSes) can prepare short presentation on national
>> >priorities on IG, on achievements and problems. It would be extremely
>> >interesting both regarding future EuroDIG, which will be hosted by Berlin,
>> >and regarding latest developments in this countries (new law on copyright,
>> >report on IG for German Parliament and so on).
>> >
>> >Dear Annette,
>> >
>> >Is it possible to ask you to prepare this presentation?
>> >
>> >And, of course, regarding thematic discussion, it would be great to
>> discuss
>> >first of all privacy concerns, especially from the point of view of future
>> >work on EURALO capacity/team building.
>> >
>> >Dear Lutz,
>> >
>> >Could you please take the responsibility for this presentation on
>> >yourselves?
>> >
>> >I want to support Manuel's proposition to use more actively Wiki space,
>> >but, of course, we have to keep in mind  Werner's concern (regarding
>> >Android).
>> >
>> >Best regards,
>> >
>> >Oksana
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> as some of you have asked for this already, attached please find a copy
>> of
>> >> the meeting minutes from our Lisbon GA last week with an updated
>> version of
>> >> the thematic priorities (incl. additional names).
>> >>
>> >> Thanks again to Jordi who has taken all relevant notes from the GA to
>> make
>> >> the minutes quickly available (what would have been the job of the
>> >> incumbent Secretariat BTW). Silvia will upload the minutes on our
>> Workspace
>> >> these days.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >> Wolf
>> >>
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