[EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up

Sat Mar 31 13:27:54 EDT 2007

Dear Nick, thank you very much for this clarification - giving everyone 
the chance of taking part in the decision making is of utmost importance.

Concerning the timeline - the proposed nomination period is only two 
weeks counting from tomorrow. This is too short. And it is even parallel 
to the eastern vacation.

I think that we all can agree on Wolfgang's proposal, which gives 
everyone the chance to get involved.

Best
Annette

Nick Ashton-Hart schrieb:
> I have not read anyone suggesting that any ALS would be excluded, and
> in fact, the MoU and Bylaws both ensure that every ALS IS included.
>
> The timeline also does not envision a two week timeline - the timeline
> is more than double that.
>
> On 31/03/07, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg at web.de> wrote:
>>
>>  Hello everybody,
>>
>>  as someone who could not come to the meeting but tried my best to 
>> take part
>> virtually, I am quite surprised about this discussion.
>>
>>  We have been working for a year on founding this organisation. There 
>> is no
>> need at all to rush through with any procedure within two weeks and even
>> parallel to eastern vacation when many people will not be able to 
>> take part
>> in the discussion at all.
>>
>>  I think the proposal for a timeline given by Wolfgang makes absolutely
>> sense and I would like to ask for an agreement on this.
>>
>>
>>  I very much hope that there is not a serious discussion on deliberately
>> excluding accredited ALSes which happened to have no chance to attend 
>> the
>> Lisbon Meeting. This is certainly not something I would have given my
>> signature for.
>>
>>  I think we all want to have a positive inclusive and consensus oriented
>> start, so that we can concentrate on content not on procedure. So, I am
>> glad, that Wolfgang made already some very interesting proposals what we
>> could work on until the next ICANN meeting in June.
>>
>>  Best
>>  Annette
>>
>>
>>  Wolfgang Kleinwächter schrieb:
>>  Tahnks Vittorio,
>>
>> I think the differendes can be worked out constructively.
>>
>> With regard to some procedures I think that all ASLs has to be 
>> involved and
>> not only the minority who had been able to sit in the room in Lisbon. 
>> There
>> should be a formal information to all recognized ASLs with a clear 
>> and fair
>> timeline and a chance to comment what to do next. Do not rush. There 
>> is no
>> need for a hurry. If we have the elections finished before San Juan, 
>> this is
>> okay. Nothing will collapse if we take us more time.
>>
>> With regard to the April 14 this is absolutely too short. It is now 
>> Easter
>> and a lot of potential candidates are in vacation. So this has to be
>> reconsidered. I propose May 15, This would give all parties to prepare
>> better for an fair and transparent process. Otherwise you provoke 
>> another
>> round of heated debate, conflicts and mistrust of people who had been 
>> not
>> involved and will think this is another big conspiracy.
>>
>> So we NEED the involvement of all ALS to get he credibility an EURALO 
>> should
>> have. And credibility is onw of the highest value for such an 
>> Internet jsers
>> organisation.
>>
>> BTW, thanks for proposing me as a potential EURALO Board member.
>> Unfortunately due to another overload of work, the Summer School, 
>> GIGANET,
>> Studienkreis and something else I will not be in a position to take an
>> additonal function. I will concentrate my energy and efforts to get the
>> thing started because I feel - as a veteran in this discussion - ALM and
>> EURALO as part of my personal responsibility towards the community. 
>> But with
>> regard to leadership positions in this new boday it is time for the 
>> European
>> youngster to take the lead, in particular we need also young energietic
>> woman and ALS andindividuals from outside the EU to get a better 
>> balance, to
>> grow and to make the voices of the European Internet usaer5s in the 
>> ICANN
>> context visible.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> wolfgang
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> Von: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb at bertola.eu]
>> Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 15:25
>> An: Wolfgang Kleinwächter
>> Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe
>> Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
>>
>>
>>
>> Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
>>
>>
>>  Dear list,
>>
>> back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for
>> further actions and next steps:
>>
>> 1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated debate
>> the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward and we
>> should build on this
>>
>>  I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all of
>> us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues of
>> incorporation and individual membership such as you and Christoph,
>> worked together to reach an acceptable compromise.
>>
>> For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we
>> agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday
>> morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There is
>> not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the Board
>> and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then let the
>> EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO Board could
>> then delegate a working group - in any case I think that you necessarily
>> have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good EURALO Board member
>> anyway, and I think that the people who were most active in the
>> discussions up to here are natural candidates for a strong initial
>> EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation of the process).
>>
>> So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO
>> Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a
>> proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual GA at
>> mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how hard we 
>> work.
>>
>> About the last two points:
>>
>>
>>
>>  4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and
>> ALAC reps should start after Easter.
>>
>>  In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April 14,
>> and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen the
>> discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the Bylaws
>> and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone complains?).
>>
>> BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I would
>> expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's reasonable
>> for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it if we could
>> find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the vote a formality,
>> like APRALO did.
>> -- 
>> vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <--------
>> --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
>>
>>
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