[EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up

Sat Mar 31 12:33:56 EDT 2007

I have not read anyone suggesting that any ALS would be excluded, and
in fact, the MoU and Bylaws both ensure that every ALS IS included.

The timeline also does not envision a two week timeline - the timeline
is more than double that.

On 31/03/07, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg at web.de> wrote:
>
>  Hello everybody,
>
>  as someone who could not come to the meeting but tried my best to take part
> virtually, I am quite surprised about this discussion.
>
>  We have been working for a year on founding this organisation. There is no
> need at all to rush through with any procedure within two weeks and even
> parallel to eastern vacation when many people will not be able to take part
> in the discussion at all.
>
>  I think the proposal for a timeline given by Wolfgang makes absolutely
> sense and I would like to ask for an agreement on this.
>
>
>  I very much hope that there is not a serious discussion on deliberately
> excluding accredited ALSes which happened to have no chance to attend the
> Lisbon Meeting. This is certainly not something I would have given my
> signature for.
>
>  I think we all want to have a positive inclusive and consensus oriented
> start, so that we can concentrate on content not on procedure. So, I am
> glad, that Wolfgang made already some very interesting proposals what we
> could work on until the next ICANN meeting in June.
>
>  Best
>  Annette
>
>
>  Wolfgang Kleinwächter schrieb:
>  Tahnks Vittorio,
>
> I think the differendes can be worked out constructively.
>
> With regard to some procedures I think that all ASLs has to be involved and
> not only the minority who had been able to sit in the room in Lisbon. There
> should be a formal information to all recognized ASLs with a clear and fair
> timeline and a chance to comment what to do next. Do not rush. There is no
> need for a hurry. If we have the elections finished before San Juan, this is
> okay. Nothing will collapse if we take us more time.
>
> With regard to the April 14 this is absolutely too short. It is now Easter
> and a lot of potential candidates are in vacation. So this has to be
> reconsidered. I propose May 15, This would give all parties to prepare
> better for an fair and transparent process. Otherwise you provoke another
> round of heated debate, conflicts and mistrust of people who had been not
> involved and will think this is another big conspiracy.
>
> So we NEED the involvement of all ALS to get he credibility an EURALO should
> have. And credibility is onw of the highest value for such an Internet jsers
> organisation.
>
> BTW, thanks for proposing me as a potential EURALO Board member.
> Unfortunately due to another overload of work, the Summer School, GIGANET,
> Studienkreis and something else I will not be in a position to take an
> additonal function. I will concentrate my energy and efforts to get the
> thing started because I feel - as a veteran in this discussion - ALM and
> EURALO as part of my personal responsibility towards the community. But with
> regard to leadership positions in this new boday it is time for the European
> youngster to take the lead, in particular we need also young energietic
> woman and ALS andindividuals from outside the EU to get a better balance, to
> grow and to make the voices of the European Internet usaer5s in the ICANN
> context visible.
>
> Best
>
> wolfgang
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb at bertola.eu]
> Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 15:25
> An: Wolfgang Kleinwächter
> Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe
> Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
>
>
>
> Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
>
>
>  Dear list,
>
> back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for
> further actions and next steps:
>
> 1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated debate
> the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward and we
> should build on this
>
>  I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all of
> us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues of
> incorporation and individual membership such as you and Christoph,
> worked together to reach an acceptable compromise.
>
> For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we
> agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday
> morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There is
> not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the Board
> and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then let the
> EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO Board could
> then delegate a working group - in any case I think that you necessarily
> have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good EURALO Board member
> anyway, and I think that the people who were most active in the
> discussions up to here are natural candidates for a strong initial
> EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation of the process).
>
> So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO
> Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a
> proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual GA at
> mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how hard we work.
>
> About the last two points:
>
>
>
>  4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and
> ALAC reps should start after Easter.
>
>  In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April 14,
> and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen the
> discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the Bylaws
> and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone complains?).
>
> BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I would
> expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's reasonable
> for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it if we could
> find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the vote a formality,
> like APRALO did.
> --
> vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <--------
> --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
>
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