[EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up

Sat Mar 31 12:48:50 EDT 2007

Hello Nick,

I'm the official representativ of the ALS "Deutsche Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) 
e.V.). My official E-Mail-Adresse is huelsmann at datenschutzverein.de .

At this official E-Mail-Adresse there was till now neiter an information about the 
results of Lisbon nor an information about the timetable for the next steps! How can 
this be?

I wasn't able to take part in Lisbon because I had to do my business. Sorry for that, 
but I've also to earn some money because all my work for the DVD and for EurALO isn't 
paied.

So I need some more informations! Please send them to all the official contacts of 
teh ALSes.

It can't be, that only the ALSes, which signed the MoU already can take part on the 
next step. At first, there must be enough time for als ALSes to sign the MoU. Because 
of Eastern the timetable mentioned on 
https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?nominations_2007 is to short.

On the Page https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?lisbon_icann_meeting is no link to 
the bylaws and the MoU. Why not?

Please take care that all ALSes are well informed about the results of Lisbon!

Greatings,

Werner 

On 31 Mar 2007 at 16:24, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:

> May I just encourage everyone not to abandon the consensus process
> agreed in Lisbon. It was agreed and it isn't a very good precedent if
> something that a large body of ALSes all found agreement on is
> immediately proposed to be discarded before it has even had a chance
> to work - if more time is needed for some of the steps, that will
> become clear, and I'm sure that all parties will see the sense of
> extending things and it will be seen as the natural thing to do.
> 
> I certainly understand your points about the amount of time - but this
> was considered quite carefully by your colleagues and discarding
> elements of that agreement would likely produce the same negative
> by-products which you wish to avoid...
> 
> On 31/03/07, Wolfgang Kleinwächter
> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
> > Tahnks Vittorio,
> >
> > I think the differendes can be worked out constructively.
> >
> > With regard to some procedures I think that all ASLs has to be
> > involved and not only the minority who had been able to sit in the
> > room in Lisbon. There should be a formal information to all
> > recognized ASLs with a clear and fair timeline and a chance to
> > comment what to do next. Do not rush. There is no need for a hurry.
> > If we have the elections finished before San Juan, this is okay.
> > Nothing will collapse if we take us more time.
> >
> > With regard to the April 14 this is absolutely too short. It is now
> > Easter and a lot of potential candidates are in vacation. So this
> > has to be reconsidered. I propose May 15, This would give all
> > parties to prepare better for an fair and transparent process.
> > Otherwise you provoke another round of heated debate, conflicts and
> > mistrust of people who had been not involved and will think this is
> > another big conspiracy.
> >
> > So we NEED the involvement of all ALS to get he credibility an
> > EURALO should have. And credibility is onw of the highest value for
> > such an Internet jsers organisation.
> >
> > BTW, thanks for proposing me as a potential EURALO Board member.
> > Unfortunately due to another overload of work, the Summer School,
> > GIGANET, Studienkreis and something else I will not be in a position
> > to take an additonal function. I will concentrate my energy and
> > efforts to get the thing started because I feel  - as a veteran in
> > this discussion - ALM and EURALO as part of my personal
> > responsibility towards the community. But with regard to leadership
> > positions in this new boday it is time for the European youngster to
> > take the lead, in particular we need also young energietic woman and
> > ALS andindividuals from outside the EU to get a better balance, to
> > grow and to make the voices of the European Internet usaer5s in the
> > ICANN context visible.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > wolfgang
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Von: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb at bertola.eu]
> > Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 15:25
> > An: Wolfgang Kleinwächter
> > Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe
> > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
> >
> >
> >
> > Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
> > > Dear list,
> > >
> > > back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for
> > > further actions and next steps:
> > >
> > > 1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated
> > > debate the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward
> > > and we should build on this
> >
> > I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all
> > of us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues
> > of incorporation and individual membership such as you and
> > Christoph, worked together to reach an acceptable compromise.
> >
> > For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we
> > agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday
> > morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There
> > is not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the
> > Board and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then
> > let the EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO
> > Board could then delegate a working group - in any case I think that
> > you necessarily have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good
> > EURALO Board member anyway, and I think that the people who were
> > most active in the discussions up to here are natural candidates for
> > a strong initial EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation
> > of the process).
> >
> > So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO
> > Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a
> > proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual
> > GA at mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how
> > hard we work.
> >
> > About the last two points:
> >
> > > 4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and
> > > ALAC reps should start after Easter.
> >
> > In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April
> > 14, and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen
> > the discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the
> > Bylaws and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone
> > complains?).
> >
> > BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I
> > would expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's
> > reasonable for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it
> > if we could find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the
> > vote a formality, like APRALO did. -- vb.                   Vittorio
> > Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu   <-------- -------->  finally with a
> > new website at http://bertola.eu/  <--------
> >
> >
> >
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