[At-Large] Fwd: Coping with active participation in At-Large during COVID-19

Sarah Kiden skiden at gmail.com
Sat May 9 18:14:46 UTC 2020


+1 Patricia

Thank you,

Sarah

On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 19:07, Patricia Akello <ekisesta at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Glenn,
>
> I appreciate all your efforts and understand the concerns you have raised
> regarding connectivity which is indeed a big challenge in Africa. Now that
> the issue has been raised, our hope is that a solution will be found real
> soon.
>
> Regards
> Esther Patricia Akello
>
> On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 19:06, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Patricia
>> Lets make sure that  we understand that this is difficult times and this
>> special Emergency Fund is a band-aid and not a solution .  My major
>> concern as I ranted about a few weeks ago is the help to those  ATLARGE
>> community members who need assistance for  Internet connectivity so they
>> can be connected during the ICANN multiple meetings.   In my survey we
>> found significant  high prices and low bandwidth in Africa parts of the far
>> East.  Maybe many more locations.   ICANN has saved alot of money not
>> paying stipend, airfare, hotels and all the associated costs of CANCUN,  KL
>> and probably Hamburg and perhaps  2021  and we are naive to think that we
>> will not lose folks. Our  multistakeholderism is at risk.  We need to be
>> proactive.
>> G
>> Glenn McKnight
>> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
>> www.internetgovernancehub.blog  <http://www.internetgovernancehub.blog>
>> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
>> IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
>> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
>> skype  gmcknight
>> twitter @Inkmedia
>> 289-830 6259
>> .
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 10:23 AM Patricia Akello <ekisesta at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Glenn,
>>> Barack - Say no more! Am in total agreement With you. It’s a
>>> demonstration of good leadership and acts like this are a demonstration of
>>> the “Ubuntu” spirit - I am because we are.
>>>
>>> It’s a tough situation but many thanks to all who have contributed and
>>> supported a brother.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Esther Patricia Akello
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 16:49, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For the record  the funds  are not from ICANN
>>>> G
>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
>>>> www.internetgovernancehub.blog  <http://www.internetgovernancehub.blog>
>>>> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
>>>> IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
>>>> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>> twitter @Inkmedia
>>>> 289-830 6259
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 9:46 AM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
>>>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Barrack,
>>>>> Just so that I am clear. I TOTALLY agree with the point you made about
>>>>> relationships and having concern for others. I have NO problem with this at
>>>>> all. Relationships should transcend borders as you mentioned. I totally
>>>>> agree with where she is coming from and share that view too. Please
>>>>> don't get me wrong. I agree with helping. I would also do there same
>>>>> however if I head a company/government and in the name of helping a friend
>>>>> I give out money from the public purse to help a friend in distress then no
>>>>> one should pity me when it is time to go to jail. Do you think anyone in
>>>>> charge of ICANN's finances would at any point in time be able to justify
>>>>> helping someone stranded in another country on a non-ICANN business?.  I am
>>>>> not saying don't help am saying you can't push it to ICANN
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me list where I disagree so that I am very clear
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Daniel's Name should not have been mentioned in the email to Leon.
>>>>> Iit could have been a generic thing just as Glenn did in his mail. I
>>>>> believe his privacy has been compromised. We all now know who is stranded
>>>>> and where.
>>>>> 2. It shouldn't have been used as an example to convince the board cos
>>>>> clearly it would make them take an easy decision because I can't see how
>>>>> you can convince your company to pay the hotel bills for a friend who came
>>>>> on a private visit when you are not running a charity.  The main issue
>>>>> should be about the general challenges, not individual challenges that way
>>>>> an individual can benefit.
>>>>> 3.  It should not appear as the new priority. The priority should be
>>>>> the concerns the community has been rasing that never got to the next level.
>>>>> I hope you understand my point.
>>>>>
>>>>> AK
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 2:02 PM Barrack Otieno <
>>>>> otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Abdulkarim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Permit me to weigh in on this matter. Having been involved in ICANN
>>>>>> for a little over 10 years now i have come to appreciate the role of
>>>>>> relationships and genuine concern for each others well being. This is what
>>>>>> has kept me and many others going in this ecosystem for many years and i
>>>>>> beleive this is where Maureen is coming from. I literaly drop everything i
>>>>>> am doing whenever a member of this community is in town due to the
>>>>>> relationships we have established which transcend borders. As a leader, i
>>>>>> would do the same when one of my team members is in dire straits. We all
>>>>>> have an idea of the letter and the spirit of the law or by laws. Whichever
>>>>>> school of thought you align yourself with has impacts on the output of your
>>>>>> team or any organization you may be leading. The issues that have been
>>>>>> raised are suggestions and should be treated as such. In my opinion Maureen
>>>>>> is right as a leader to bring to the fore an issue a member of her
>>>>>> leadership team is facing. Being a diverse community, Daniels help might
>>>>>> just be an email away. If we can't help him then let the matter rest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 9 May 2020, 3:39 pm ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE, <
>>>>>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Maureen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Your response has clearly brought out one of the three points that
>>>>>>> I was trying to make. I never asked that the individual should not be
>>>>>>> supported but I do not think it is right to prioritise one person at the
>>>>>>> expense of the community.  Who would your leadership team serve if the
>>>>>>> community is not there?.
>>>>>>> I pointed out in the least paragraph of my email to you that the
>>>>>>> need to support the community has been mentioned several times by different
>>>>>>> people at different At-Large meetings but it was not taking to the next
>>>>>>> level until Leon stepped in only for it now to be overshadowed by a
>>>>>>> non-ICANN issue is one of my concerns. The board would make an easy
>>>>>>> decision on this matter as it is clearly dominated by a non-ICANN and
>>>>>>> private issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leadership role and general work within at-large is voluntary and if
>>>>>>> you are concern about him "regardless of how he came about it". That should
>>>>>>> not overshadow what is affecting most people within the community.  We need
>>>>>>> to get our priorities right. I am sure you only found out about his case
>>>>>>> yesterday because according to the records I just checked he has been
>>>>>>> attending the meeting he chairs and other meetings including that of ATRT
>>>>>>> 3. I am not trying to trivialise his issue in any way but  I decided to
>>>>>>> respond because I smell a rat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not understand what you mean by  "unusual predicament" because
>>>>>>> we are all in an "unusual predicament" of COVID 19. I also don't understand
>>>>>>> why you mean by  "extreme bad luck" but a lot of other people are affected
>>>>>>> by the "extreme bad luck" and USA has handled the COVID situation far
>>>>>>> better than a lot of other countries. I can give numerous example. some
>>>>>>> don't even have the test kit to test talk less of detection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not about me helping or not. Like you rightly said it is
>>>>>>> voluntary. Doing what is important to us as leaders mean we should be fair,
>>>>>>> listen and look after the community, not just one person we find loyal to
>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 6:13 AM Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Abdulkarim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I agree with you that there are surely situations similar to
>>>>>>>> that of Daniel within At-Large, many do not have the same level of
>>>>>>>> responsibility to the work of At-Large as he does. As one of my leadership
>>>>>>>> team, I am concerned about his circumstances, regardless of how he came
>>>>>>>> upon them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was his concern for his ability to meet his obligations to his
>>>>>>>> leadership role which caused me to mention his unusual predicament. I only
>>>>>>>> found out about where he was and his situation yesterday. Even when he
>>>>>>>> should be thinking about himself, he was informing me as to why he might
>>>>>>>> not be able to fulfil his obligations to the O&E team for an unknown
>>>>>>>> timeframe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was extreme bad luck that he was not able to leave the country
>>>>>>>> at the conclusion of the leadership event, especially in a country that I
>>>>>>>> believe has very poorly managed its covid situation. I sympathise with
>>>>>>>> anyone who ever finds themselves in a situation such as this. If there is
>>>>>>>> any way that our community can help relieve Daniel's situation until his
>>>>>>>> country's embassy can assist his return to Uganda,  then Im happy to do my
>>>>>>>> bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We cant do this for everyone, but for someone like Daniel who has
>>>>>>>> volunteered a lot of personal time towards work within At-Large as well as
>>>>>>>> in cross-community activities for several years,  he deserves my support
>>>>>>>> even if in this small way, and gratefully with the support of other
>>>>>>>> like-minded people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you would like to help too, that is fine. If not, then that is
>>>>>>>> fine as well. We all do what is important to us and as much or as little as
>>>>>>>> we can. The same will have to go for our work within ICANN.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards and keep well
>>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 May 2020, 1:36 pm ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE, <
>>>>>>>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Maureen,
>>>>>>>>> I greatly sympathise with Daniel on this issue you shared and I
>>>>>>>>> totally agree with your approach of setting up a welfare team and the
>>>>>>>>> Gofundme. However, I do not understand why you decided to include it in
>>>>>>>>> your email to Leon. His travel is clearly not related to the challenges
>>>>>>>>> being faced by the community as a result of having what should have been a
>>>>>>>>> face to face meeting going online. Your email was saying you removed a
>>>>>>>>> message cos it is not ICANN related but yet it included an issue which is
>>>>>>>>> clearly not ICANN related. The unrelated issue you raised has clearly
>>>>>>>>> overshadowed the other critical issue. In fact, it took the most
>>>>>>>>> significant part of the mail. What was supposed to be the main point in the
>>>>>>>>> mail is now being relegated to paragraph 3.  In as much as I sympathise
>>>>>>>>> with Daniel, I do not see the reason why a private issue was now explicitly
>>>>>>>>> discussed in an email to Leon and the community. There are lots of people
>>>>>>>>> around the world in a similar situation and I can't understand and I don't
>>>>>>>>> clearly want to guess why you are making Daniel's case look worse than it
>>>>>>>>> is or as an example for the mailing list. I have lots of friends and even
>>>>>>>>> family members stranded as a result of the unexpected shutdown.  We all
>>>>>>>>> faced challenges in our private lives or because of the unexpected shut
>>>>>>>>> down of the world and I believe this should remain private except if ICANN
>>>>>>>>> is now a social club.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also agree with Remmy Nweke that RALO leaders should also take
>>>>>>>>> up the issues relating to challenges the community is facing in regards to
>>>>>>>>> having an online meeting.  This is because they are closer to the community
>>>>>>>>> and It took Leon to raise it specifically before it became a serious issue
>>>>>>>>> for the ALAC when clearly we should not have waited this long. It has been
>>>>>>>>> raised by several people before now but we didn't seams to listen or take
>>>>>>>>> it seriously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 6:49 PM Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Leon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the discussion that arose out of the request from the
>>>>>>>>>> ALAC meeting. I am so grateful that the community restricted their comments
>>>>>>>>>> to those that were most thoughtful and considerate of ICANN's situation
>>>>>>>>>> while also taking into account some of the hardship issues experienced by
>>>>>>>>>> our volunteers at this time.  I forward all the emails received on the
>>>>>>>>>> topic (I had one instance where the email was on another topic and once
>>>>>>>>>> revealed, the sender asked for it to be removed).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One case which only very recently came to my attention was Daniel
>>>>>>>>>> Nanghaka who was in the US attending an AMEX Leadership course in
>>>>>>>>>> Washington DC when the flights out of US were grounded and he could not
>>>>>>>>>> return to Uganda. He has been staying with friends in Massachusetts but
>>>>>>>>>> living very frugally on his limited resources. Even though he has tried,
>>>>>>>>>> his contacts with the Uganda Embassy in Washington DC have not been
>>>>>>>>>> responded to (as of yesterday) and neither has AMEX been of any real
>>>>>>>>>> assistance to his plight. I have suggested that he persist and if possible
>>>>>>>>>> return to Washington DC to get his government's support directly.
>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately he is still within scope of his current visa, but who knows how
>>>>>>>>>> long will he have to remain in a foreign country without any resources?
>>>>>>>>>> Daniel hadn't raised his situation with us because his reason for being
>>>>>>>>>> there was not directly related to ICANN, except that *he is
>>>>>>>>>> worried *that he may not be able to participate in his meetings
>>>>>>>>>> because internet connection is expensive and it is draining what little
>>>>>>>>>> resources he has at the moment, even to take his own O&E meetings. This is
>>>>>>>>>> an extreme case but a real live situation for one of our leadership team.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The cost of internet and the loss of jobs especially for those in
>>>>>>>>>> developing countries will make ICANN's work of less priority, especially
>>>>>>>>>> when they have to worry more about how to feed and care for their families
>>>>>>>>>> in situations where the pandemic is still rabid, and it is the impoverished
>>>>>>>>>> areas that are being hardest hit. While I know that ICANN cannot save the
>>>>>>>>>> world, it saddens me to know what some of our hardest-working volunteers
>>>>>>>>>> are experiencing in their real worlds... and yet at the same time there is
>>>>>>>>>> still a flow of even more meetings than before, even within At-Large, with
>>>>>>>>>> an expectation of more volunteer input into issues that ICANN has to
>>>>>>>>>> resolve. All I can say is that the longer this situation exists, the
>>>>>>>>>> greater the chance of those voices that we have been working really hard to
>>>>>>>>>> encourage to join our discussions, will disappear and our multistakeholder
>>>>>>>>>> model will be truly lost. But what can ICANN do and what more can we do as
>>>>>>>>>> volunteers who are already stretched within our own bubbles just to keep
>>>>>>>>>> ourselves safe? This is our dilemma.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded Conversation
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Coping with active participation in At-Large during
>>>>>>>>>> COVID-19
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:58 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear At-Large Community
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In all our recent ICANN meetings, the Board and the senior staff
>>>>>>>>>> have been very mindful of the difficulties that are being experienced by
>>>>>>>>>> the volunteer community of At-Large during this pandemic and its impact on
>>>>>>>>>> their ability to participate as regularly as they used to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> During his intervention in the ALAC meeting on  28 April, the
>>>>>>>>>> At-Large appointed Board member, Leon Sanchez, raised his ongoing concerns
>>>>>>>>>> and asked the 70+ participants at the meeting how ICANN might be able to
>>>>>>>>>> help volunteers to continue with their active involvement in the work of
>>>>>>>>>> At-Large and contributing to the bigger picture work of ICANN.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because he has requested practical and constructive suggestions
>>>>>>>>>> about how ICANN may be able to assist, I am putting this message out to
>>>>>>>>>> those who also already attend online meetings and actively participate and
>>>>>>>>>> engage, even under really trying personal circumstances. I am willing to
>>>>>>>>>> pass on your suggestions to Leon, who will in turn take these to the Board
>>>>>>>>>> for their consideration.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Please respond only to this thread* before 7 May, so that the
>>>>>>>>>> full account can be passed on to Leon.  I look forward to your thoughtful
>>>>>>>>>> contributions to this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>>>>> ALAC Chair
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks  Maureen
>>>>>>>>>> As  you know this is an issue I brought up in the ALT PLUS call a
>>>>>>>>>> week before the ZOOM call this week  with Leon, at that time I interfaced
>>>>>>>>>> with Leon on the dire straits that some people are facing during this
>>>>>>>>>> pandemic situation and that many folks are unwilling to step forward and
>>>>>>>>>> publicly  come to the table with a "cap in their hands"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are facing a 4% drop in the world economy and this means a
>>>>>>>>>> depression much worse than the Great Depression.   Also this Covid-19 may
>>>>>>>>>> see a serious second and third wave resulting in many more deaths and
>>>>>>>>>> economic disruption.  ( shades of the 1918 pandemic that killed 100
>>>>>>>>>> million)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would surmise that  we have in the ATLARGE community that many
>>>>>>>>>> folks are unemployed or underemployed and facing tough times and seriously
>>>>>>>>>> compounded in countries that don't have any safety net to protect them and
>>>>>>>>>> help them over the difficult times.  Since charity starts at home I suggest
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN  dig into its pockets as  ISOC and Mozilla and many others and come
>>>>>>>>>> up with a financial assistance to those that could really appreciate the
>>>>>>>>>> support.   I suggest that  the  stipend for the ICANN Meetings to be paid
>>>>>>>>>> to the ATLARGE members which will cover their internet costs and food costs
>>>>>>>>>> as they fully participate with the remote meetings.    In the cases where
>>>>>>>>>> people don't want or need this financial support they can simple not apply
>>>>>>>>>> for the stipend and the financial costs would be reduced.  It should be
>>>>>>>>>> confidential and an optional application process.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In a recent survey of Atlarge members we found a large number of
>>>>>>>>>> African and small island states with very poor internet access and very
>>>>>>>>>> high costs for their access to the Internet.  This produces a digital
>>>>>>>>>> divide that needs to be recognized and if not addressed  we may loose more
>>>>>>>>>> members from the community.  As recommendations to join more online
>>>>>>>>>> meetings and join ICANN LEARN webinars its an assumption that  we all have
>>>>>>>>>> fair and equal access  and this inequality is enhanced with more reliance
>>>>>>>>>> on remote participation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
>>>>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
>>>>>>>>>> www.internetgovernancehub.blog
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.internetgovernancehub.blog>
>>>>>>>>>> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
>>>>>>>>>> IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
>>>>>>>>>> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
>>>>>>>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>>>>>>>> twitter @Inkmedia
>>>>>>>>>> 289-830 6259
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:20 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Maureen,
>>>>>>>>>> This is very thoughtful both of ICANN, ALAC and Leon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For me, the best possible way to encourage participation should
>>>>>>>>>> have been:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. To have data palliative, but it looks cumbersome from ICANN
>>>>>>>>>> end down to the local service providers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. An alternative is to have an aggregated sum approved for e.g.
>>>>>>>>>> 4 months = USD600; to be given to participants to cushion their data effect
>>>>>>>>>> paid directly to them (both mobile device and laptop). Thereby easing off
>>>>>>>>>> at ICANN end and also encouraging participant to optimise the resource to
>>>>>>>>>> their most essential needs including more data, because some may have
>>>>>>>>>> purchased data ahead, say two months in a row.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps.
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>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: <carlosraul at gutierrez.se>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:44 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Maureen and Léon !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. We in LACRALO have already adapted our meeting hours to avoid
>>>>>>>>>> conflicts with working hours as far as possible. Thanks to our Brazilian
>>>>>>>>>> and Uruguayan friends that's stay up late, the westerners in Mexico in
>>>>>>>>>> Costa Rica have meeting only after 4pm or so.
>>>>>>>>>> REQUEST;
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Can't we do choose two convenient blocks of time over the day
>>>>>>>>>> so that's global meetings only happen outside of sleeping hours?
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Can we start using those blocks of time ASAP
>>>>>>>>>> 3. Can we keep those Blocks for the Kuala Lumpur virtual meeting
>>>>>>>>>> instead of the local time there?
>>>>>>>>>> 4. If all of the above is not possible: can we spread the Kuala
>>>>>>>>>> Lumpur meeting into 2-3 power weekend meetings online?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seriously, if we are going to spend the next few months on
>>>>>>>>>> virtual meetings, it makes no sense to use the planning frameworks and time
>>>>>>>>>> blocks of Face to Face meetings.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Vanda Scartezini <vanda at scartezini.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>, Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear  Glenn  and Maureen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These thoughts are really relevant when we can see in developing
>>>>>>>>>> region several medium class persons are struggled to feed their families
>>>>>>>>>> without work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here, as developing country,  the government is performing a
>>>>>>>>>> quite complex operation,  providing a 120 – 240 ( widows with children)
>>>>>>>>>>  correspondent USD to 56 millions  ( ¼ of our population) of persons and
>>>>>>>>>> had open up a 26 million of a special bank account to those not having one
>>>>>>>>>>  in the public bank, and will pay such amount during 3 months or even
>>>>>>>>>> longer depend upon the winter ( even mild one here) season. The amount
>>>>>>>>>>  represents what  we call basic basket with food and cleaner and hygienic
>>>>>>>>>> items for one month of a family of 4. The basic mobile are reduced  and
>>>>>>>>>> energy are sponsored  for  those families.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Helping people to attend our meetings on line in places where
>>>>>>>>>> they need to spend too much special nowadays  paying internet or even 3G
>>>>>>>>>> for a volunteer activity,  does not see  will break ICANN’s finances and
>>>>>>>>>> certainly will help a lot to keep these relevant community with us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for these relevant proposal that I do believe really help
>>>>>>>>>> the engagement of our community.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can also help to state who,  in our regions, is really in need
>>>>>>>>>> of help. Some even to feed their families.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kisses and take care
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Vanda Scartezini*
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, May 2, 2020 at 4:28 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the draft response from* NARALO* . Note we are still
>>>>>>>>>> working out the logistics of the ideas  and its not final .  I am sharing
>>>>>>>>>> it for inspiration purpose.
>>>>>>>>>> The  bold and italic comments are excerpts from ICANN's comments
>>>>>>>>>> direct from the ICANN page
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-_IO9vxnl2AUyrPE2zcL19UjyDPbl5DQHTLvWxX1q6Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Supporting the Work of Our Global Community over the Next Few
>>>>>>>>>> Months: Leveraging Remote Participation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Link to document
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/supporting-the-work-of-our-global-community-over-the-next-few-months-leveraging-remote-participation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Facts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    All ICANN Face to Face meetings on hold to Sept 2020
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Reality
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    The Pandemic will likely be worse in the fall according to
>>>>>>>>>>    the CDC comments and likely it will be into 2021. (1)  and
>>>>>>>>>>    resulting in no  Face to Face meetings during that year
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Item One:  Remote Participation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN has always embraced remote participation. It is what makes
>>>>>>>>>> our work accessible to a global community and enables us to get the work
>>>>>>>>>> done between meetings. COVID-19 has made remote engagement even more
>>>>>>>>>> crucial, and a very real and practical alternative
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Comment
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is a practical solution to keep the community engaged but
>>>>>>>>>> the devil is in the details.  We have a serious digital divide which
>>>>>>>>>> impacts the ATLARGE community.  Since ICANN has  Multistakeholderism baked
>>>>>>>>>> into its DNA it is critical to provide communities with the tools to
>>>>>>>>>> properly engage.   In Canada, especially in the far- north, in the US
>>>>>>>>>> tribal lands, as well as in rural areas(2), among students(3)  and
>>>>>>>>>> in poor urban communities(4) there is a serious digital divide
>>>>>>>>>> that makes it next to impossible to participate fully in the meetings. In
>>>>>>>>>> fact, if there are few participants in such areas, it is not because they
>>>>>>>>>> don’t want to participate. They simply cannot participate unless their
>>>>>>>>>> internet accessibility issues are addressed. Although ICANN cannot be
>>>>>>>>>> responsible for all digital divide issues, it must recognize that these
>>>>>>>>>> exist and perhaps look for alternative ways to deal with these -- create
>>>>>>>>>> support groups, reach out locally with low tech methods, build partnerships
>>>>>>>>>> with national, regional, and local organizations, etc..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Item Two;  Leverage Participation Tools
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is more important than ever that we leverage our remote
>>>>>>>>>> participation tools to continue effectively engaging and supporting our
>>>>>>>>>> community in the work that needs to be done; at the very least, over the
>>>>>>>>>> next four months.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Comments
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is not just a matter of online tools ie. Zoom,  Adobe,
>>>>>>>>>> Bluejean etc or accessibility issues, but about the bandwidth required by
>>>>>>>>>> any or all of them. Moreover, many within At Large have uneven connectivity
>>>>>>>>>> speeds and others are burdened with very high Internet costs and extremely
>>>>>>>>>> slow speeds. This combined with the loss of income by many of the
>>>>>>>>>> participants due to COVID-19  making it harder for them to pay for the
>>>>>>>>>> extra data needed to participate in the At Large or other ICANN related
>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Item  Three   Online Courses/ Webinars
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are working with the community to ensure that high-priority
>>>>>>>>>> topics for this period are being addressed and are creating new
>>>>>>>>>> opportunities and training for our stakeholders within At Large to
>>>>>>>>>> participate. As such, we are looking at facilitating these efforts and
>>>>>>>>>> adding a variety of additional activities to build capacity, to attract new
>>>>>>>>>> participants, and to educate, and engage these new participants. These
>>>>>>>>>> activities will include informative webinars, ICANN Learn modules,
>>>>>>>>>> lectures, and ICANN Public Meeting readouts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, this strategy of engagement is only possible where
>>>>>>>>>> high-speed Internet access is available and the end-user has the funds to
>>>>>>>>>> pay for the extra service.  We would be interested in learning about any
>>>>>>>>>> surveys that ICANN LEARN staff have done on connectivity challenges of
>>>>>>>>>> end-users.  A recent informal ATLARGE survey, although having only twenty
>>>>>>>>>> responses, shows that participants in developing countries have limited
>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth especially in many parts of Africa and small island states
>>>>>>>>>> combined with high Internet costs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> General View
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the short run, the participation in the first virtual meeting
>>>>>>>>>> (Cancun) while having very high participation, should be looked at as a
>>>>>>>>>> novelty, this will not be the new norm. We do expect that participation in
>>>>>>>>>> future meetings will drop until the economy gets back on track.
>>>>>>>>>> Participants do not have the available income to spend on the access needed
>>>>>>>>>> to actively participate in online meetings. We are at a serious risk of
>>>>>>>>>> losing valuable volunteers. At Large participants are volunteers and unlike
>>>>>>>>>> other constituencies, they do this outside their paid jobs and often take a
>>>>>>>>>> vacation to attend ICANN Meetings.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Our community unlike the other the government or business
>>>>>>>>>> community do not have the luxury of sponsorship to carry on their
>>>>>>>>>> volunteerism.  Our community has had to dig into their own pockets to pay
>>>>>>>>>> to participate. If the economy does not pick up we can see a substantial
>>>>>>>>>> loss of participants from locations we cannot afford to lose.  We propose
>>>>>>>>>> that ICANN recognize the value of these participants and create a special
>>>>>>>>>> connectivity fund. The process and procedure could be worked out in a
>>>>>>>>>> simple application and approval process.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Recommendations
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    Provide the stipend to all elected ATLARGE community members
>>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    Provide an opportunity to ALS members to receive an Internet
>>>>>>>>>>    Connectivity voucher to offset their high Internet costs so they can
>>>>>>>>>>    participate.
>>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    ICANN LEARN should conduct a true connectivity survey of all
>>>>>>>>>>    users.
>>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    Improve upon the end-user survey at the end of all ICANN
>>>>>>>>>>    Public webinars to get feedback on participation and connectivity
>>>>>>>>>>    experiences ie. latency, quality etc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Conclusion
>>>>>>>>>> Under development
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Footnotes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    1.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/forecasting-us.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    2.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    60% of farmers in the US report very poor Broadband speeds
>>>>>>>>>>    https://api.unitedsoybean.org/uploads/documents/58546-1-ruralbroadband-whitepages-final.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletters&utm_source=sendgrid
>>>>>>>>>>    3.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    Students and digital divide
>>>>>>>>>>    https://internetgovernancehub.blog/2020/04/10/when-school-is-online-the-digital-divide-grows-greater/
>>>>>>>>>>    4.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    Poor and Digital Divide
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    https://internetgovernancehub.blog/2020/04/29/digital-divide-isolates-and-endangers-millions-of-uks-poorest/
>>>>>>>>>>    5.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    Broadband  Infographic
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
>>>>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
>>>>>>>>>> www.internetgovernancehub.blog
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.internetgovernancehub.blog>
>>>>>>>>>> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
>>>>>>>>>> IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
>>>>>>>>>> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
>>>>>>>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>>>>>>>> twitter @Inkmedia
>>>>>>>>>> 289-830 6259
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 3:59 PM Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, May 2, 2020 at 3:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Glenn,
>>>>>>>>>> I have more to add but did not get a chance on Friday to put in
>>>>>>>>>> but will do so tomorrow
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>> judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>>>>>>>> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Glenn McKnight <
>>>>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:49 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>, At Large <
>>>>>>>>>> at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>>>>>> Greetings everyone from Sénégal.
>>>>>>>>>> +1 @Glen who raised issues that i'm personaly facing in this sad
>>>>>>>>>> pandemic moment.
>>>>>>>>>> I Also approve the concrete proposals of Remmy.
>>>>>>>>>> Most ALSes are certainly on these needs too.
>>>>>>>>>> Much appreciate if ICANN could make as proposed.
>>>>>>>>>> Warm regards
>>>>>>>>>> Olévié
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maureen,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My humble and personal take to this is that similar to the
>>>>>>>>>> fellowship program, we could consider support to community members who
>>>>>>>>>> dedicate significant time and resources to ICANN's mission by contributing
>>>>>>>>>> to the work of various supporting organizations and Advisory Commitees and
>>>>>>>>>> the overall mission of ICANN. It is true engaging in SO/AC work costs
>>>>>>>>>> valuable time for those whose day job may not necessarily be around the DNS
>>>>>>>>>> ecosystem.  Significant resources are incurred to get online and to have
>>>>>>>>>> the right tools that can enable meaningful participation and contribution
>>>>>>>>>> to ICANN's work. I welcome the idea of reimbursing some of the costs
>>>>>>>>>> incurred on connectivity or any other aspect as may be determined through a
>>>>>>>>>> suitable process considering the continuous nature of the work we are doing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Barrack O. Otieno
>>>>>>>>>> +254721325277
>>>>>>>>>> +254733206359
>>>>>>>>>> Skype: barrack.otieno
>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: LUKE KAPCHANGA <wanjalaluke1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, May 5, 2020 at 6:41 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Maureen ,
>>>>>>>>>> Glenn has captured what some of go through, if not worse. I am
>>>>>>>>>> based in rural areas of Kenya. To attend online meetings   I depend at
>>>>>>>>>> times on cyber cafes, which are not very reliable, yet the best option. The
>>>>>>>>>> COVID 19, has worsened the situation. The proposal to assist us from
>>>>>>>>>> developing countries is welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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