[At-Large] Fwd: Coping with active participation in At-Large during COVID-19

Patricia Akello ekisesta at gmail.com
Sat May 9 18:04:41 UTC 2020


Hi Glenn,

I appreciate all your efforts and understand the concerns you have raised
regarding connectivity which is indeed a big challenge in Africa. Now that
the issue has been raised, our hope is that a solution will be found real
soon.

Regards
Esther Patricia Akello

On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 19:06, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Patricia
> Lets make sure that  we understand that this is difficult times and this
> special Emergency Fund is a band-aid and not a solution .  My major
> concern as I ranted about a few weeks ago is the help to those  ATLARGE
> community members who need assistance for  Internet connectivity so they
> can be connected during the ICANN multiple meetings.   In my survey we
> found significant  high prices and low bandwidth in Africa parts of the far
> East.  Maybe many more locations.   ICANN has saved alot of money not
> paying stipend, airfare, hotels and all the associated costs of CANCUN,  KL
> and probably Hamburg and perhaps  2021  and we are naive to think that we
> will not lose folks. Our  multistakeholderism is at risk.  We need to be
> proactive.
> G
> Glenn McKnight
> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
> www.internetgovernancehub.blog  <http://www.internetgovernancehub.blog>
> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
> IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
> skype  gmcknight
> twitter @Inkmedia
> 289-830 6259
> .
>
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 10:23 AM Patricia Akello <ekisesta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Glenn,
>> Barack - Say no more! Am in total agreement With you. It’s a
>> demonstration of good leadership and acts like this are a demonstration of
>> the “Ubuntu” spirit - I am because we are.
>>
>> It’s a tough situation but many thanks to all who have contributed and
>> supported a brother.
>>
>> Regards
>> Esther Patricia Akello
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 16:49, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the record  the funds  are not from ICANN
>>> G
>>> Glenn McKnight
>>> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
>>> www.internetgovernancehub.blog  <http://www.internetgovernancehub.blog>
>>> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
>>> IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
>>> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
>>> skype  gmcknight
>>> twitter @Inkmedia
>>> 289-830 6259
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 9:46 AM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
>>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Barrack,
>>>> Just so that I am clear. I TOTALLY agree with the point you made about
>>>> relationships and having concern for others. I have NO problem with this at
>>>> all. Relationships should transcend borders as you mentioned. I totally
>>>> agree with where she is coming from and share that view too. Please
>>>> don't get me wrong. I agree with helping. I would also do there same
>>>> however if I head a company/government and in the name of helping a friend
>>>> I give out money from the public purse to help a friend in distress then no
>>>> one should pity me when it is time to go to jail. Do you think anyone in
>>>> charge of ICANN's finances would at any point in time be able to justify
>>>> helping someone stranded in another country on a non-ICANN business?.  I am
>>>> not saying don't help am saying you can't push it to ICANN
>>>>
>>>> Let me list where I disagree so that I am very clear
>>>>
>>>> 1. Daniel's Name should not have been mentioned in the email to Leon.
>>>> Iit could have been a generic thing just as Glenn did in his mail. I
>>>> believe his privacy has been compromised. We all now know who is stranded
>>>> and where.
>>>> 2. It shouldn't have been used as an example to convince the board cos
>>>> clearly it would make them take an easy decision because I can't see how
>>>> you can convince your company to pay the hotel bills for a friend who came
>>>> on a private visit when you are not running a charity.  The main issue
>>>> should be about the general challenges, not individual challenges that way
>>>> an individual can benefit.
>>>> 3.  It should not appear as the new priority. The priority should be
>>>> the concerns the community has been rasing that never got to the next level.
>>>> I hope you understand my point.
>>>>
>>>> AK
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 2:02 PM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Abdulkarim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Permit me to weigh in on this matter. Having been involved in ICANN
>>>>> for a little over 10 years now i have come to appreciate the role of
>>>>> relationships and genuine concern for each others well being. This is what
>>>>> has kept me and many others going in this ecosystem for many years and i
>>>>> beleive this is where Maureen is coming from. I literaly drop everything i
>>>>> am doing whenever a member of this community is in town due to the
>>>>> relationships we have established which transcend borders. As a leader, i
>>>>> would do the same when one of my team members is in dire straits. We all
>>>>> have an idea of the letter and the spirit of the law or by laws. Whichever
>>>>> school of thought you align yourself with has impacts on the output of your
>>>>> team or any organization you may be leading. The issues that have been
>>>>> raised are suggestions and should be treated as such. In my opinion Maureen
>>>>> is right as a leader to bring to the fore an issue a member of her
>>>>> leadership team is facing. Being a diverse community, Daniels help might
>>>>> just be an email away. If we can't help him then let the matter rest.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 9 May 2020, 3:39 pm ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE, <
>>>>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Maureen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Your response has clearly brought out one of the three points that I
>>>>>> was trying to make. I never asked that the individual should not be
>>>>>> supported but I do not think it is right to prioritise one person at the
>>>>>> expense of the community.  Who would your leadership team serve if the
>>>>>> community is not there?.
>>>>>> I pointed out in the least paragraph of my email to you that the need
>>>>>> to support the community has been mentioned several times by different
>>>>>> people at different At-Large meetings but it was not taking to the next
>>>>>> level until Leon stepped in only for it now to be overshadowed by a
>>>>>> non-ICANN issue is one of my concerns. The board would make an easy
>>>>>> decision on this matter as it is clearly dominated by a non-ICANN and
>>>>>> private issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leadership role and general work within at-large is voluntary and if
>>>>>> you are concern about him "regardless of how he came about it". That should
>>>>>> not overshadow what is affecting most people within the community.  We need
>>>>>> to get our priorities right. I am sure you only found out about his case
>>>>>> yesterday because according to the records I just checked he has been
>>>>>> attending the meeting he chairs and other meetings including that of ATRT
>>>>>> 3. I am not trying to trivialise his issue in any way but  I decided to
>>>>>> respond because I smell a rat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not understand what you mean by  "unusual predicament" because
>>>>>> we are all in an "unusual predicament" of COVID 19. I also don't understand
>>>>>> why you mean by  "extreme bad luck" but a lot of other people are affected
>>>>>> by the "extreme bad luck" and USA has handled the COVID situation far
>>>>>> better than a lot of other countries. I can give numerous example. some
>>>>>> don't even have the test kit to test talk less of detection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not about me helping or not. Like you rightly said it is
>>>>>> voluntary. Doing what is important to us as leaders mean we should be fair,
>>>>>> listen and look after the community, not just one person we find loyal to
>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 6:13 AM Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Abdulkarim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I agree with you that there are surely situations similar to
>>>>>>> that of Daniel within At-Large, many do not have the same level of
>>>>>>> responsibility to the work of At-Large as he does. As one of my leadership
>>>>>>> team, I am concerned about his circumstances, regardless of how he came
>>>>>>> upon them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was his concern for his ability to meet his obligations to his
>>>>>>> leadership role which caused me to mention his unusual predicament. I only
>>>>>>> found out about where he was and his situation yesterday. Even when he
>>>>>>> should be thinking about himself, he was informing me as to why he might
>>>>>>> not be able to fulfil his obligations to the O&E team for an unknown
>>>>>>> timeframe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was extreme bad luck that he was not able to leave the country at
>>>>>>> the conclusion of the leadership event, especially in a country that I
>>>>>>> believe has very poorly managed its covid situation. I sympathise with
>>>>>>> anyone who ever finds themselves in a situation such as this. If there is
>>>>>>> any way that our community can help relieve Daniel's situation until his
>>>>>>> country's embassy can assist his return to Uganda,  then Im happy to do my
>>>>>>> bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We cant do this for everyone, but for someone like Daniel who has
>>>>>>> volunteered a lot of personal time towards work within At-Large as well as
>>>>>>> in cross-community activities for several years,  he deserves my support
>>>>>>> even if in this small way, and gratefully with the support of other
>>>>>>> like-minded people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you would like to help too, that is fine. If not, then that is
>>>>>>> fine as well. We all do what is important to us and as much or as little as
>>>>>>> we can. The same will have to go for our work within ICANN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards and keep well
>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 May 2020, 1:36 pm ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE, <
>>>>>>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Maureen,
>>>>>>>> I greatly sympathise with Daniel on this issue you shared and I
>>>>>>>> totally agree with your approach of setting up a welfare team and the
>>>>>>>> Gofundme. However, I do not understand why you decided to include it in
>>>>>>>> your email to Leon. His travel is clearly not related to the challenges
>>>>>>>> being faced by the community as a result of having what should have been a
>>>>>>>> face to face meeting going online. Your email was saying you removed a
>>>>>>>> message cos it is not ICANN related but yet it included an issue which is
>>>>>>>> clearly not ICANN related. The unrelated issue you raised has clearly
>>>>>>>> overshadowed the other critical issue. In fact, it took the most
>>>>>>>> significant part of the mail. What was supposed to be the main point in the
>>>>>>>> mail is now being relegated to paragraph 3.  In as much as I sympathise
>>>>>>>> with Daniel, I do not see the reason why a private issue was now explicitly
>>>>>>>> discussed in an email to Leon and the community. There are lots of people
>>>>>>>> around the world in a similar situation and I can't understand and I don't
>>>>>>>> clearly want to guess why you are making Daniel's case look worse than it
>>>>>>>> is or as an example for the mailing list. I have lots of friends and even
>>>>>>>> family members stranded as a result of the unexpected shutdown.  We all
>>>>>>>> faced challenges in our private lives or because of the unexpected shut
>>>>>>>> down of the world and I believe this should remain private except if ICANN
>>>>>>>> is now a social club.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also agree with Remmy Nweke that RALO leaders should also take
>>>>>>>> up the issues relating to challenges the community is facing in regards to
>>>>>>>> having an online meeting.  This is because they are closer to the community
>>>>>>>> and It took Leon to raise it specifically before it became a serious issue
>>>>>>>> for the ALAC when clearly we should not have waited this long. It has been
>>>>>>>> raised by several people before now but we didn't seams to listen or take
>>>>>>>> it seriously.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 6:49 PM Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Leon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is the discussion that arose out of the request from the ALAC
>>>>>>>>> meeting. I am so grateful that the community restricted their comments to
>>>>>>>>> those that were most thoughtful and considerate of ICANN's situation while
>>>>>>>>> also taking into account some of the hardship issues experienced by our
>>>>>>>>> volunteers at this time.  I forward all the emails received on the topic (I
>>>>>>>>> had one instance where the email was on another topic and once revealed,
>>>>>>>>> the sender asked for it to be removed).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One case which only very recently came to my attention was Daniel
>>>>>>>>> Nanghaka who was in the US attending an AMEX Leadership course in
>>>>>>>>> Washington DC when the flights out of US were grounded and he could not
>>>>>>>>> return to Uganda. He has been staying with friends in Massachusetts but
>>>>>>>>> living very frugally on his limited resources. Even though he has tried,
>>>>>>>>> his contacts with the Uganda Embassy in Washington DC have not been
>>>>>>>>> responded to (as of yesterday) and neither has AMEX been of any real
>>>>>>>>> assistance to his plight. I have suggested that he persist and if possible
>>>>>>>>> return to Washington DC to get his government's support directly.
>>>>>>>>> Fortunately he is still within scope of his current visa, but who knows how
>>>>>>>>> long will he have to remain in a foreign country without any resources?
>>>>>>>>> Daniel hadn't raised his situation with us because his reason for being
>>>>>>>>> there was not directly related to ICANN, except that *he is
>>>>>>>>> worried *that he may not be able to participate in his meetings
>>>>>>>>> because internet connection is expensive and it is draining what little
>>>>>>>>> resources he has at the moment, even to take his own O&E meetings. This is
>>>>>>>>> an extreme case but a real live situation for one of our leadership team.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The cost of internet and the loss of jobs especially for those in
>>>>>>>>> developing countries will make ICANN's work of less priority, especially
>>>>>>>>> when they have to worry more about how to feed and care for their families
>>>>>>>>> in situations where the pandemic is still rabid, and it is the impoverished
>>>>>>>>> areas that are being hardest hit. While I know that ICANN cannot save the
>>>>>>>>> world, it saddens me to know what some of our hardest-working volunteers
>>>>>>>>> are experiencing in their real worlds... and yet at the same time there is
>>>>>>>>> still a flow of even more meetings than before, even within At-Large, with
>>>>>>>>> an expectation of more volunteer input into issues that ICANN has to
>>>>>>>>> resolve. All I can say is that the longer this situation exists, the
>>>>>>>>> greater the chance of those voices that we have been working really hard to
>>>>>>>>> encourage to join our discussions, will disappear and our multistakeholder
>>>>>>>>> model will be truly lost. But what can ICANN do and what more can we do as
>>>>>>>>> volunteers who are already stretched within our own bubbles just to keep
>>>>>>>>> ourselves safe? This is our dilemma.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Forwarded Conversation
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Coping with active participation in At-Large during
>>>>>>>>> COVID-19
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:58 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear At-Large Community
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In all our recent ICANN meetings, the Board and the senior staff
>>>>>>>>> have been very mindful of the difficulties that are being experienced by
>>>>>>>>> the volunteer community of At-Large during this pandemic and its impact on
>>>>>>>>> their ability to participate as regularly as they used to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> During his intervention in the ALAC meeting on  28 April, the
>>>>>>>>> At-Large appointed Board member, Leon Sanchez, raised his ongoing concerns
>>>>>>>>> and asked the 70+ participants at the meeting how ICANN might be able to
>>>>>>>>> help volunteers to continue with their active involvement in the work of
>>>>>>>>> At-Large and contributing to the bigger picture work of ICANN.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because he has requested practical and constructive suggestions
>>>>>>>>> about how ICANN may be able to assist, I am putting this message out to
>>>>>>>>> those who also already attend online meetings and actively participate and
>>>>>>>>> engage, even under really trying personal circumstances. I am willing to
>>>>>>>>> pass on your suggestions to Leon, who will in turn take these to the Board
>>>>>>>>> for their consideration.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Please respond only to this thread* before 7 May, so that the
>>>>>>>>> full account can be passed on to Leon.  I look forward to your thoughtful
>>>>>>>>> contributions to this matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>>>> ALAC Chair
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:22 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks  Maureen
>>>>>>>>> As  you know this is an issue I brought up in the ALT PLUS call a
>>>>>>>>> week before the ZOOM call this week  with Leon, at that time I interfaced
>>>>>>>>> with Leon on the dire straits that some people are facing during this
>>>>>>>>> pandemic situation and that many folks are unwilling to step forward and
>>>>>>>>> publicly  come to the table with a "cap in their hands"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are facing a 4% drop in the world economy and this means a
>>>>>>>>> depression much worse than the Great Depression.   Also this Covid-19 may
>>>>>>>>> see a serious second and third wave resulting in many more deaths and
>>>>>>>>> economic disruption.  ( shades of the 1918 pandemic that killed 100
>>>>>>>>> million)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would surmise that  we have in the ATLARGE community that many
>>>>>>>>> folks are unemployed or underemployed and facing tough times and seriously
>>>>>>>>> compounded in countries that don't have any safety net to protect them and
>>>>>>>>> help them over the difficult times.  Since charity starts at home I suggest
>>>>>>>>> ICANN  dig into its pockets as  ISOC and Mozilla and many others and come
>>>>>>>>> up with a financial assistance to those that could really appreciate the
>>>>>>>>> support.   I suggest that  the  stipend for the ICANN Meetings to be paid
>>>>>>>>> to the ATLARGE members which will cover their internet costs and food costs
>>>>>>>>> as they fully participate with the remote meetings.    In the cases where
>>>>>>>>> people don't want or need this financial support they can simple not apply
>>>>>>>>> for the stipend and the financial costs would be reduced.  It should be
>>>>>>>>> confidential and an optional application process.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a recent survey of Atlarge members we found a large number of
>>>>>>>>> African and small island states with very poor internet access and very
>>>>>>>>> high costs for their access to the Internet.  This produces a digital
>>>>>>>>> divide that needs to be recognized and if not addressed  we may loose more
>>>>>>>>> members from the community.  As recommendations to join more online
>>>>>>>>> meetings and join ICANN LEARN webinars its an assumption that  we all have
>>>>>>>>> fair and equal access  and this inequality is enhanced with more reliance
>>>>>>>>> on remote participation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>>>> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
>>>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
>>>>>>>>> www.internetgovernancehub.blog
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.internetgovernancehub.blog>
>>>>>>>>> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
>>>>>>>>> IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
>>>>>>>>> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
>>>>>>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>>>>>>> twitter @Inkmedia
>>>>>>>>> 289-830 6259
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:20 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Maureen,
>>>>>>>>> This is very thoughtful both of ICANN, ALAC and Leon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For me, the best possible way to encourage participation should
>>>>>>>>> have been:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. To have data palliative, but it looks cumbersome from ICANN end
>>>>>>>>> down to the local service providers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. An alternative is to have an aggregated sum approved for e.g. 4
>>>>>>>>> months = USD600; to be given to participants to cushion their data effect
>>>>>>>>> paid directly to them (both mobile device and laptop). Thereby easing off
>>>>>>>>> at ICANN end and also encouraging participant to optimise the resource to
>>>>>>>>> their most essential needs including more data, because some may have
>>>>>>>>> purchased data ahead, say two months in a row.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps.
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>>>>>>>>> From: <carlosraul at gutierrez.se>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:44 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you Maureen and Léon !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. We in LACRALO have already adapted our meeting hours to avoid
>>>>>>>>> conflicts with working hours as far as possible. Thanks to our Brazilian
>>>>>>>>> and Uruguayan friends that's stay up late, the westerners in Mexico in
>>>>>>>>> Costa Rica have meeting only after 4pm or so.
>>>>>>>>> REQUEST;
>>>>>>>>> 1. Can't we do choose two convenient blocks of time over the day
>>>>>>>>> so that's global meetings only happen outside of sleeping hours?
>>>>>>>>> 2. Can we start using those blocks of time ASAP
>>>>>>>>> 3. Can we keep those Blocks for the Kuala Lumpur virtual meeting
>>>>>>>>> instead of the local time there?
>>>>>>>>> 4. If all of the above is not possible: can we spread the Kuala
>>>>>>>>> Lumpur meeting into 2-3 power weekend meetings online?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seriously, if we are going to spend the next few months on virtual
>>>>>>>>> meetings, it makes no sense to use the planning frameworks and time blocks
>>>>>>>>> of Face to Face meetings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks! Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: Vanda Scartezini <vanda at scartezini.org>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:06 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>, Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear  Glenn  and Maureen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These thoughts are really relevant when we can see in developing
>>>>>>>>> region several medium class persons are struggled to feed their families
>>>>>>>>> without work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here, as developing country,  the government is performing a quite
>>>>>>>>> complex operation,  providing a 120 – 240 ( widows with children)
>>>>>>>>>  correspondent USD to 56 millions  ( ¼ of our population) of persons and
>>>>>>>>> had open up a 26 million of a special bank account to those not having one
>>>>>>>>>  in the public bank, and will pay such amount during 3 months or even
>>>>>>>>> longer depend upon the winter ( even mild one here) season. The amount
>>>>>>>>>  represents what  we call basic basket with food and cleaner and hygienic
>>>>>>>>> items for one month of a family of 4. The basic mobile are reduced  and
>>>>>>>>> energy are sponsored  for  those families.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Helping people to attend our meetings on line in places where they
>>>>>>>>> need to spend too much special nowadays  paying internet or even 3G for a
>>>>>>>>> volunteer activity,  does not see  will break ICANN’s finances and
>>>>>>>>> certainly will help a lot to keep these relevant community with us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for these relevant proposal that I do believe really help
>>>>>>>>> the engagement of our community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can also help to state who,  in our regions, is really in need
>>>>>>>>> of help. Some even to feed their families.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kisses and take care
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Vanda Scartezini*
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, May 2, 2020 at 4:28 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is the draft response from* NARALO* . Note we are still
>>>>>>>>> working out the logistics of the ideas  and its not final .  I am sharing
>>>>>>>>> it for inspiration purpose.
>>>>>>>>> The  bold and italic comments are excerpts from ICANN's comments
>>>>>>>>> direct from the ICANN page
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-_IO9vxnl2AUyrPE2zcL19UjyDPbl5DQHTLvWxX1q6Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Supporting the Work of Our Global Community over the Next Few
>>>>>>>>> Months: Leveraging Remote Participation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Link to document
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/supporting-the-work-of-our-global-community-over-the-next-few-months-leveraging-remote-participation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Facts
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    All ICANN Face to Face meetings on hold to Sept 2020
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Reality
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    The Pandemic will likely be worse in the fall according to the
>>>>>>>>>    CDC comments and likely it will be into 2021. (1)  and
>>>>>>>>>    resulting in no  Face to Face meetings during that year
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Item One:  Remote Participation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ICANN has always embraced remote participation. It is what makes
>>>>>>>>> our work accessible to a global community and enables us to get the work
>>>>>>>>> done between meetings. COVID-19 has made remote engagement even more
>>>>>>>>> crucial, and a very real and practical alternative
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Comment
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a practical solution to keep the community engaged but the
>>>>>>>>> devil is in the details.  We have a serious digital divide which impacts
>>>>>>>>> the ATLARGE community.  Since ICANN has  Multistakeholderism baked into its
>>>>>>>>> DNA it is critical to provide communities with the tools to properly
>>>>>>>>> engage.   In Canada, especially in the far- north, in the US  tribal lands,
>>>>>>>>> as well as in rural areas(2), among students(3)  and in poor
>>>>>>>>> urban communities(4) there is a serious digital divide that makes
>>>>>>>>> it next to impossible to participate fully in the meetings. In fact, if
>>>>>>>>> there are few participants in such areas, it is not because they don’t want
>>>>>>>>> to participate. They simply cannot participate unless their internet
>>>>>>>>> accessibility issues are addressed. Although ICANN cannot be responsible
>>>>>>>>> for all digital divide issues, it must recognize that these exist and
>>>>>>>>> perhaps look for alternative ways to deal with these -- create support
>>>>>>>>> groups, reach out locally with low tech methods, build partnerships with
>>>>>>>>> national, regional, and local organizations, etc..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Item Two;  Leverage Participation Tools
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is more important than ever that we leverage our remote
>>>>>>>>> participation tools to continue effectively engaging and supporting our
>>>>>>>>> community in the work that needs to be done; at the very least, over the
>>>>>>>>> next four months.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Comments
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is not just a matter of online tools ie. Zoom,  Adobe, Bluejean
>>>>>>>>> etc or accessibility issues, but about the bandwidth required by any or all
>>>>>>>>> of them. Moreover, many within At Large have uneven connectivity speeds and
>>>>>>>>> others are burdened with very high Internet costs and extremely slow
>>>>>>>>> speeds. This combined with the loss of income by many of the participants
>>>>>>>>> due to COVID-19  making it harder for them to pay for the extra data needed
>>>>>>>>> to participate in the At Large or other ICANN related calls.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Item  Three   Online Courses/ Webinars
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are working with the community to ensure that high-priority
>>>>>>>>> topics for this period are being addressed and are creating new
>>>>>>>>> opportunities and training for our stakeholders within At Large to
>>>>>>>>> participate. As such, we are looking at facilitating these efforts and
>>>>>>>>> adding a variety of additional activities to build capacity, to attract new
>>>>>>>>> participants, and to educate, and engage these new participants. These
>>>>>>>>> activities will include informative webinars, ICANN Learn modules,
>>>>>>>>> lectures, and ICANN Public Meeting readouts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, this strategy of engagement is only possible where
>>>>>>>>> high-speed Internet access is available and the end-user has the funds to
>>>>>>>>> pay for the extra service.  We would be interested in learning about any
>>>>>>>>> surveys that ICANN LEARN staff have done on connectivity challenges of
>>>>>>>>> end-users.  A recent informal ATLARGE survey, although having only twenty
>>>>>>>>> responses, shows that participants in developing countries have limited
>>>>>>>>> bandwidth especially in many parts of Africa and small island states
>>>>>>>>> combined with high Internet costs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> General View
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the short run, the participation in the first virtual meeting
>>>>>>>>> (Cancun) while having very high participation, should be looked at as a
>>>>>>>>> novelty, this will not be the new norm. We do expect that participation in
>>>>>>>>> future meetings will drop until the economy gets back on track.
>>>>>>>>> Participants do not have the available income to spend on the access needed
>>>>>>>>> to actively participate in online meetings. We are at a serious risk of
>>>>>>>>> losing valuable volunteers. At Large participants are volunteers and unlike
>>>>>>>>> other constituencies, they do this outside their paid jobs and often take a
>>>>>>>>> vacation to attend ICANN Meetings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Our community unlike the other the government or business
>>>>>>>>> community do not have the luxury of sponsorship to carry on their
>>>>>>>>> volunteerism.  Our community has had to dig into their own pockets to pay
>>>>>>>>> to participate. If the economy does not pick up we can see a substantial
>>>>>>>>> loss of participants from locations we cannot afford to lose.  We propose
>>>>>>>>> that ICANN recognize the value of these participants and create a special
>>>>>>>>> connectivity fund. The process and procedure could be worked out in a
>>>>>>>>> simple application and approval process.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Recommendations
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Provide the stipend to all elected ATLARGE community members
>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Provide an opportunity to ALS members to receive an Internet
>>>>>>>>>    Connectivity voucher to offset their high Internet costs so they can
>>>>>>>>>    participate.
>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    ICANN LEARN should conduct a true connectivity survey of all
>>>>>>>>>    users.
>>>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Improve upon the end-user survey at the end of all ICANN
>>>>>>>>>    Public webinars to get feedback on participation and connectivity
>>>>>>>>>    experiences ie. latency, quality etc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Conclusion
>>>>>>>>> Under development
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Footnotes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    1.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/forecasting-us.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    2.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    60% of farmers in the US report very poor Broadband speeds
>>>>>>>>>    https://api.unitedsoybean.org/uploads/documents/58546-1-ruralbroadband-whitepages-final.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletters&utm_source=sendgrid
>>>>>>>>>    3.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Students and digital divide
>>>>>>>>>    https://internetgovernancehub.blog/2020/04/10/when-school-is-online-the-digital-divide-grows-greater/
>>>>>>>>>    4.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Poor and Digital Divide
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    https://internetgovernancehub.blog/2020/04/29/digital-divide-isolates-and-endangers-millions-of-uks-poorest/
>>>>>>>>>    5.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Broadband  Infographic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>>>> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
>>>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
>>>>>>>>> www.internetgovernancehub.blog
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.internetgovernancehub.blog>
>>>>>>>>> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
>>>>>>>>> IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
>>>>>>>>> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
>>>>>>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>>>>>>> twitter @Inkmedia
>>>>>>>>> 289-830 6259
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 3:59 PM Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, May 2, 2020 at 3:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Glenn,
>>>>>>>>> I have more to add but did not get a chance on Friday to put in
>>>>>>>>> but will do so tomorrow
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>> judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>>>>>>> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Glenn McKnight <
>>>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:49 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>, At Large <
>>>>>>>>> at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>>>>> Greetings everyone from Sénégal.
>>>>>>>>> +1 @Glen who raised issues that i'm personaly facing in this sad
>>>>>>>>> pandemic moment.
>>>>>>>>> I Also approve the concrete proposals of Remmy.
>>>>>>>>> Most ALSes are certainly on these needs too.
>>>>>>>>> Much appreciate if ICANN could make as proposed.
>>>>>>>>> Warm regards
>>>>>>>>> Olévié
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:02 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Maureen,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My humble and personal take to this is that similar to the
>>>>>>>>> fellowship program, we could consider support to community members who
>>>>>>>>> dedicate significant time and resources to ICANN's mission by contributing
>>>>>>>>> to the work of various supporting organizations and Advisory Commitees and
>>>>>>>>> the overall mission of ICANN. It is true engaging in SO/AC work costs
>>>>>>>>> valuable time for those whose day job may not necessarily be around the DNS
>>>>>>>>> ecosystem.  Significant resources are incurred to get online and to have
>>>>>>>>> the right tools that can enable meaningful participation and contribution
>>>>>>>>> to ICANN's work. I welcome the idea of reimbursing some of the costs
>>>>>>>>> incurred on connectivity or any other aspect as may be determined through a
>>>>>>>>> suitable process considering the continuous nature of the work we are doing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Barrack O. Otieno
>>>>>>>>> +254721325277
>>>>>>>>> +254733206359
>>>>>>>>> Skype: barrack.otieno
>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: LUKE KAPCHANGA <wanjalaluke1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, May 5, 2020 at 6:41 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Maureen ,
>>>>>>>>> Glenn has captured what some of go through, if not worse. I am
>>>>>>>>> based in rural areas of Kenya. To attend online meetings   I depend at
>>>>>>>>> times on cyber cafes, which are not very reliable, yet the best option. The
>>>>>>>>> COVID 19, has worsened the situation. The proposal to assist us from
>>>>>>>>> developing countries is welcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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