[At-Large] ATLASIII Participation

Wed Jul 10 07:16:17 UTC 2019

I totally agree with Gregs submission.
in addition, one applies for travel support without any coercion, its only
prudent that one meets their obligation considering that their are many
others willing to attend but weren't successful enough.
I recall the  the time of the budget approval for the fiscal year 2019,
travel support funds for fellows were being cut and one of the main issues
picked up during the discussions was the issue of tourist fellows, this
could affect this program too.

all I can suggest is that the participants be required to attend all Atlass
III sessions as a bare meeting, since their attendance at the meeting is to
the interest of Atlass II hence the travel support. measures to ensure that
the sessions have been attended should also be in place

Regards
Esther Patricia

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:09 AM Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org> wrote:

> I have no problem with volunteers giving as much or as little of their
> time as they can.  This is not about judging the measure of one’s
> participation.  Every bit helps.
>
> Time is a limited resource.  So is travel funding.  Both should be
> valued.  Neither should be wasted.
>
> For a person to take money intended to bring a person to a place to do a
> thing, and then not doing that thing to the best of their ability is a
> selfish squandering of resources.  And it is likely to deny the opportunity
> to another volunteer who can better use that resource.
>
> I agree that travel funding is (as Carlton says) “a tool to get the job
> done.”  Taking the funding and then not using it fully to get the job done
> is like taking a bag of hammers and throwing them in the river.  Why give
> that person more hammers?
>
> This is not about hypothecation or compensation.  This is about waste.
>
> We don’t need to have draconian or arbitrary punishments.  We do have to
> stop wasting our resources — whether it is time, funding or reputation.  If
> there is a good faith explanation why someone takes money to bring them to
> Atlas III and then misses most of the sessions, we should hear it (real
> life and job disasters can come up at any time).
>
> If a volunteer can’t commit fully to participating in Atlas III (or any
> other thing), that is perfectly fine.  Just don’t take the money intended
> to support a limited number of people in that participation.
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:30 PM John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> People who choose to take offense at accountability and responsibility
>> (even as a volunteer), choose to be offended.
>>
>> Please note that I believe that while I may have initially referenced
>> travel funding, I meant to include all funding and ineligibility for
>> elected positions to be fair. If we cannot rely on a volunteer on a single
>> dedicated occasion, it is foolish to rely on such an individual in other
>> circumstances, volunteer or not.
>>
>> We disagree.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 4:15 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear John:
>>> I know you mean well.  But I must register my profound and utter
>>> disagreement with you here.  And, on principle.
>>>
>>> At-Large representatives are volunteers.  Largely.
>>>
>>> I am seethe at this indignity that a measure of my voluntarism connects
>>> to me flying somewhere to volunteer my time, my energy, my intellectual
>>> capital and yes, my labour, all as public goods.
>>>
>>> I would not wish to be so judged.  And what is proposed is nothing but
>>> an episode of the slave's torment; doing what he thinks would appease his
>>> master by providing the hog grease for the leather whip that stipes his own
>>> back.
>>>
>>> I came to this opposition from bitter experience. It started when I was
>>> the only elected LACRALO official. And in a period when travel was dangled
>>> as a benefit to volunteers. I couldn't give a tinker's damn since by that
>>> time I had already racked up 2 million plus airmiles. And traveling
>>> steerage class is not my idea of a fun time.
>>>
>>> In that period of time, LACRALO arguably provided the most egregious
>>> examples of the ICANN tourist traveler. And I suffered the slings of my
>>> northern metropolitan colleagues for vehemently opposing sanctions on the
>>> then LACRALO ALAC representatives. [I am ever grateful to Evan for
>>> supporting me on principle!] My argument was those persons behaved badly as
>>> individuals. I told them so. One has hated me to this day. But inspite of
>>> him, I adamantly refused to support travel sanctions against them. That
>>> action reinforces that rather louche idea that travel is a benefit rather
>>> than the tool that it is to get a job done. And to hypothecate the tool as
>>> security for work to be done seems immoral to me.
>>>
>>> Value is assigned my time and intellectual capital by others; I sell
>>> them for fee. I got home less than 2 hours ago from Suriname.  Most in this
>>> thread would likely not even know where that is. it is a hump to get to.
>>> And, somebody paid me for that.
>>>
>>> As a volunteer, my time, intellectual capital and my own coin have been
>>> placed in trust and in the service of the At-Large. An airplane ticket in
>>> steerage does not begin to compensate me as volunteer. It is no benefit to
>>> me or for me.  It is rude and crude to suggest, must less legislate, that
>>> it is.
>>>
>>> My position has not changed in these many years because the same
>>> response offends reason and conscience. It is for the At-Large constituents
>>> to pick representatives. And this seemingly Pavlovian response proffered is
>>> and remains a bad policy idea. It is inimical to the spirit of volutarism -
>>> real voluntarism! - that premises the At-Large engagement.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -Carlton
>>>
>>>
>>> ==============================
>>> *Carlton A Samuels*
>>>
>>> *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment &
>>> Turnaround*
>>> =============================
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:16 AM John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like us all to consider consequences for ATLASIII participants
>>>> who travel but do not participate (excepting reasons of illness etc). This
>>>> is a serious, professional responsibility and should be treated as such.
>>>>
>>>> For a start, I would suggest that participants who fail to participate
>>>> should be ineligible for funding and elections for 3 years.
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to conversation on this topic leading to action by the
>>>> ALAC.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Pixel 3XL
>>>>
>>>> John Laprise, Ph.D.
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