[At-Large] [lac-discuss-en] Vistaprint is abandoning .vista

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Hi,

that is actually not a thought experiment.

Individual users can't just effect a change they wish on ICANN any more
than they can do the same in their countries, states, counties, cities,
neighborhoods or apartment buildings, nor in their schools, companies, the
networks they build or the trains they run. Scaling requires some
aggregation. As you well know, when you want more power for a train you may
first gain some by building a bigger locomotive; but at some point you need
to stop, and bring in more locomotives. Citizens aggregate in neighborhoos,
quarters, boroughs, cities, states, etc., and in firms, parties, clubs, and
so on (you know that: you build and test networks and components for
scaling, for a living.) The whole basic design of the Internet is an
exercise in scaling by aggregation, a very fortunate one. Canetti's book on
masses brings out even the most basic forms of aggregation among humans.

There may be room for changing or improvement in the way stakeholders are
aggregated (as well as for many other issues) but not by devolving to
individuals. Add to that the needs of transparency and accountability
**among stakeholders** and the basic needs of assuming everyone is honest
but better to "trust and verify" and you just cannot go to the "atoms"
alone. Interestingly, things have worked out for 20 years now; as said
previously, that assumption has been tested enough by reality and left much
to the side.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Karl Auerbach <karl at cavebear.com> wrote:

> On 7/17/18 11:08 AM, bzs at theworld.com wrote:
>
>> I'll assert this is a problem in ICANN's governance structure.
>>
>> Let's not just argue for the sake of arguing. There might be a very
>> real problem here.
>>
> I think it is a real problem.  Let's do a mind experiment.  In that
> experiment let us hypothesize that every single user of the internet wants
> to make a change to ICANN.  Every single user of the internet, that is,
> except those who sit in one of ICANN's other "stakeholder" categories, such
> as a registry owner or standards body or government etc.
>
> Could that vast majority of internet users require that ICANN change?
>
> No they could not.  ICANN has created too much insulation and empowered
> the very few to block the will of the overwhelming majority.
>
> ICANN is far too much of a money pump into the pockets of certain
> "stakeholder" interests - For instance registries get more than a $Billion
> a year in fiat, never audited, never questioned registry fees out of the
> pockets of internet users.   Those registry "stakeholders" will make sure
> that ICANN never gives enough power to those who pay into that river of
> money to raise questions about whether that river is justified.
>
>         --karl--
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> At-Large mailing list
> At-Large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
>
> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org




-- 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
     Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
Facultad de Química UNAM
Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/at-large/attachments/20180717/1fb85d3a/attachment.html>