[At-Large] FCC TO SCRAP NET NEUTRALITY, ICANN NOT AFFECTED.

[Joly MacFie]

If an ISP were blocking a public DNS server in order to force people to use
its own DNS server, perhaps in order that it could capture data on its
customers' lookups, and do redirects - we've seen Verizon redirect on bad
queries, for instance - might that a violation of neutrality?


But, the current US hoohah is not strictly about neutrality, it's about the
means of ISP regulation - on neutrality or other behavior - whether it
should be via telecom common carriage regulation (FCC) , or via more
general fair trade rules on antitrust and consumer protection (FTC). The
current regime - the former - apparently very much precludes the latter, at
least when it comes to network management.

joly




On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Bill Silverstein <icann-list at sorehands.com>
wrote:

> Maybe John is looking at the fact that ICANN refuses to do what they were
> supposed to do.
>
> On Mon, December 4, 2017 8:05 pm, Edmon Chung wrote:
> > Thanks John,
> > that t is a very technical response, which I can respect and cannot
> > disagree
> > with.
> >
> > But based on your response I am still not clear why ICANN at-large should
> > not pay attention..., the FCC order does seem like a relevant issue if we
> > believe that consumer trust of the DNS is relevant... and might be
> > affected...
> >
> > I apologize for my lax use of the term "neutrality".  My second sentence
> > is
> > perhaps more specific... Allow me to rephrase... what I am unable to
> > ascertain is:
> >
> > Based on this new order, does it mean that ISPs can give preferential
> > treatment to DNS traffic to particular TLDs as long as they are
> > transparent
> > about it and justifies it with some reason?
> >
> > Whereas in the previous order ISPs are not.
> >
> > If the above is correct, then ICANN community has reason to pay
> > attention...
> > if the above is not the case thats great, but I am not sure based on the
> > reading of the document.
> >
> > Sorry to bother you john, hopefully others can help answer the above
> > question if they know the answer. :-)
> >
> > Edmon
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: John R. Levine [mailto:johnl at iecc.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2017 11:57 AM
> >> To: Edmon Chung <edmon at registry.asia>
> >> Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> >> Subject: RE: [At-Large] FCC TO SCRAP NET NEUTRALITY, ICANN NOT
> >> AFFECTED.
> >>
> >> > But, John, if it doesnt bother you too much...  Would like to know why
> >> > you think it is not relevant to ICANN community?...
> >>
> >> ICANN's job is to manage identifiers in the DNS and (to some extent) IP
> >> addresses.  This order has no effect on that.
> >>
> >> There are lots of things that might affect some people who are also
> > involved with
> >> ICANN.  For example, many of us live in the United States and our
> >> personal
> > tax
> >> bills will change due to the bill that Congress recently passed.  But I
> > hope we
> >> agree that's not relevant here, either.
> >>
> >> R's,
> >> John
> >>
> >> PS:
> >>
> >> > https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-347926A1.pdf
> >> > 33. DNS. We find that Domain Name System (DNS) is an indispensable
> >> > functionality of broadband Internet access service.101
> >> >
> >> > Does this mean that the DNS is an exception? and therefore DNS
> >> > neutrality is preserved?
> >>
> >> I have no idea what you mean by "DNS neutrality", and I'm pretty sure I
> > don't want
> >> to know.  If you mean that ISPs rewrite DNS results, e.g., replace
> > NXDOMAIN with
> >> an A record of a web server, or they block resolution of names they
> > believe to be
> >> malicious, they've been doing that all along.  But whatever it might be,
> > it's not
> >> ICANN's remit.
> >
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