[At-Large] They're out of IPv4 Addresses!

McTim dogwallah at gmail.com
Sun Sep 16 23:04:05 UTC 2012


On Sunday, September 16, 2012, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:

> These are the transcripts (easy reading) of what Geoff Huston said at the
> APNIC 32 Opening Plenary in Bussan, South Korea. I was in the audience and
> enjoyed it, see:
> http://meetings.apnic.net/32/program/opening-plenary/transcript[#Transition
> from IPv4 to IPv6 #Google #NATs #Access ]
>
>
I listened to this in real time....it doesn't contain the theory that holly
described...neither do the links below.

Rgds,

McTim
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mcT


>
> These are links to some of Geoff's papers:
>
>
>    -  On the Content economy, his views published on his website in 2001,
>    see:  http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2001-06/2001-06-content.html
>    - On Carriage v Content, his views published on his website in July,
>    2012, see:  http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2012-07/carriagevcontent.html
> .
>    He talks briefly about ITRs and ETNO proposal in relation to the ITRs
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net<javascript:;>
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi John
> >
> > I can't verify Geoff's technical explanation, but he did work for Telstra
> > as one of their star technical people and he is chief scientist with
> APNIC.
> > And I did use the term carrier  but, to be more precise, ISPs in this
> > country are also carriers - which may not be the case in other
> legislative
> > regimes.  As to privacy, the other point Geoff  makes is that what is
> > happening is contrary to the Interception legislation - or should be
> > considered so. The difficulty with privacy legislation (not just in
> > Australia) is the definition of 'personal information' which is the
> > lynchpin of whether or not privacy has been breached.  Does it include
> > phone numbers and IP addresses.  There are suggested amendments to the
> > privacy legislation here that would, in essence, include information -
> that
> > combined with other information, can identify a person (paraphrased) But
> > one of the privacy issues is how personal information - that which is
> being
> > protected - is defined.
> >
> > HOlly
> > On 17/09/2012, at 2:42 AM, John R. Levine wrote:
> >
> > >> As he explains, with NATing, the carriers gain information about what
> > IP addresses are going where - information they can flog to advertisers.
> > >
> > > This argument makes no sense.  A snoopy ISP could as easily collect
> this
> > information from non-NAT routers as from NAT boxes.
> > >
> > > In Australia, I would have thought that privacy laws would make selling
> > that kind of information illegal.  In the US they use noxious services
> like
> > phorm to collect and sell info, no NAT needed.
> > >
> > > R's,
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