[APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative

Mon Jul 8 09:50:36 UTC 2019

Just to bring your attention to the email that Satish has released earlier
on this issue.
It has a subject line: *[APAC-Discuss] Working Group on Membership-related
Matters*

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 12:38 Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <
apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
> The issue was resolved the same day (4 July 2019), when the APRALO
> leadership team decided to create a WG on Membership-related matters to
> ensure that similar situations do not occur in the future. Please take a
> look at the mail for more details.
>
> With kind regards
>
>
>
>
> satish
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:20 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi at protonmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Satish
>>
>> Post your email I and other community members were expecting to hear back
>> on the serious issue raised. I am surprised why it’s taking so long to take
>> necessary decisions and suitable actions. Strongly believe that no would
>> like to promote such acts here or will support any such candidate who was
>> completely unethical. The excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not
>> admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such
>> position thus all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no
>> further delay
>>
>> Fariz Ahmadi
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:05 PM, Satish Babu <sb.inapp at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Fariz and all
>>
>> Thank you for your inputs on this matter.
>>
>> Several important points have emerged in these discussions, with legal
>> (ie., concerning the APRALO Rules of Procedure) as well as ethical
>> dimensions.
>>
>> I'd like to discuss this matter with the rest of the APRALO Leadership
>> Team and also with Maureen, so that we can decide on a fair way to address
>> these concerns and then get back to all of you.
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> satish
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:32 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi at protonmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Neeraj and Azadur
>>>
>>> This is something very serious which you must immediately discuss
>>> with Samiran Gupta Head of India ICANN and Satish Babu Chair Asia-Pacific
>>> Regional At-Large Organization (APRALO, ASIAPAC) I am connecting you with
>>> them in this email. Also the complaint for all these acts must also go to
>>> ICANN president and chairman so directing for necessary disciplinary
>>> action.
>>> Thanks
>>> Farizahmadi
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:18 PM, Azadur Rahman sarker <
>>> azad.sarkar.tvnl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad.
>>> BANGLADESH
>>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia at outlook.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66
>>>> fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as
>>>> representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in
>>>> Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Neeraj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on
>>>> behalf of danny dong <dannydong at tech-center.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM
>>>> *To:* Shreedeep Rayamajhi
>>>> *Cc:* APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap at lists.ncuc.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO
>>>> Individual Representative
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is
>>>> not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for
>>>> such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code
>>>> of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her
>>>> selection is against the norms.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Danny
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM
>>>> *From:* "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41 at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi at protonmail.com>
>>>> *Cc:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>,
>>>> ncuc-ap at lists.ncuc.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO
>>>> Individual Representative
>>>> I completely agree with the argument of  farizahmadi and some what
>>>> suport  maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not
>>>> prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better
>>>> capacity and awarness program
>>>> 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such
>>>> as  involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause
>>>> for election purpose
>>>> 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly
>>>> 4. The message that the community  is about enagement and work not
>>>> about leadership position needs to be clear
>>>> 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Shreedeep Rayamajhi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <
>>>> apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Maureen
>>>>
>>>> I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you
>>>> think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for
>>>> groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation
>>>> is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this
>>>> position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone
>>>> will follow same.
>>>>
>>>> It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both
>>>> groups will also agree with it.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Farizahmadi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard <
>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your comment Fariz.
>>>>
>>>> However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find
>>>> that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the
>>>> ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work
>>>> together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the
>>>> different interests that each community section serves.
>>>>
>>>> Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC
>>>> offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire
>>>> that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of
>>>> the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section
>>>> that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations
>>>> and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large
>>>> member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
>>>>
>>>> Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is
>>>> their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the
>>>> perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that
>>>> Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice
>>>> versa.  We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the
>>>> better value for At-Large.
>>>>
>>>> Maureen
>>>> ALAC Chair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <
>>>> apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and
>>>> At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
>>>>
>>>> I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it
>>>> was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO
>>>> individual members with lot of trust and respect.
>>>>
>>>> But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any
>>>> position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC
>>>> and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she
>>>> is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an
>>>> different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down
>>>> from first and then apply for another.
>>>>
>>>> This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by
>>>> retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if
>>>> she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
>>>>
>>>> *I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At
>>>> Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled
>>>> with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Farizahmadi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mili <milisemlani at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
>>>> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <
>>>> apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO
>>>> Individual Representative
>>>> *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>   I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be
>>>> the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy
>>>> heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as
>>>> NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the
>>>> conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold
>>>> leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I
>>>> apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
>>>>
>>>> But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
>>>>
>>>> 1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For
>>>> those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of
>>>> the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But
>>>> while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the
>>>> ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few
>>>> representatives from the Asia Pacific *
>>>> *region* (let alone leaders)and  while I would like to retain your
>>>> membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the
>>>> Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even
>>>> while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still
>>>> allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship
>>>> building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and
>>>> would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have
>>>> already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO
>>>> and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in
>>>> NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
>>>>
>>>> 3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*,
>>>> if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy
>>>> development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions
>>>> issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently
>>>> elected position and to move on and become the best representative for
>>>> APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency
>>>> (NCUC) was not an easy one.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs
>>>> someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other
>>>> takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader
>>>> there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for
>>>> the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trust
>>>> of individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
>>>>
>>>> I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am
>>>> sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role
>>>> (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to
>>>> APRALO leaders, staff and members.
>>>>
>>>> Congrats Hanan and good luck!
>>>> —
>>>> With gratitude
>>>> Mili Semlani
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the
>>>> elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped
>>>> down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes
>>>> in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib:
>>>> Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
>>>>
>>>> *Rank*
>>>>
>>>> *Vote Option ID*
>>>>
>>>> *Vote Option*
>>>>
>>>> *Votes*
>>>>
>>>> *%*
>>>>
>>>> 1
>>>>
>>>> 15998138
>>>>
>>>> Mili Semlani
>>>>
>>>> 6
>>>>
>>>> 54.55
>>>>
>>>> *2*
>>>>
>>>> *15998137*
>>>>
>>>> *Hanan Khatib*
>>>>
>>>> *3*
>>>>
>>>> *27.27*
>>>>
>>>> 3
>>>>
>>>> 15998136
>>>>
>>>> Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
>>>>
>>>> 2
>>>>
>>>> 18.18
>>>>
>>>> You may view the result independently here:
>>>> https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and
>>>> congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the
>>>> APRALO Individual Member community.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
>>>>
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