[APAC-Discuss] [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA

Tue Jul 7 17:26:36 UTC 2015

In Portuguese we also do not have a word for that  the alternative is
“multiples interessados” meaning multi persons interested or  "todas as
partes interessadas” meaning all interested parts.
 However, multilateral exist, is the same word and the meaning is clear,
since was shaped to have this meaning:  "multi countries”  all sides with
the intention to state that each country has its side.
Best to all
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On 7/7/15, 6:46, "Edmon Chung" <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
on behalf of edmon at registry.asia> wrote:

>
>China is certainly an interesting case.
>
>At the recent APrIGF event, a panel led by CNNIC, with the topic:
>Developing IG Principles with Geographic Diverse Perspective
>(http://apps.rigf.asia/submission/proposaldetail?id=31 | adobeconnect
>recording: 
>https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p5mggn3qc75/?launcher=false&fcsContent=true
>&pbMode=normal), the Chinese representative reiterated a number of times
>that it is difficult to translate "Multistakeholder" into Chinese and
>therefore the Chinese views that "Multi-Lateral" is a more appropriate
>term to use.
>
>From what I understand, in Mainland China, "Multistakeholder" is now
>often translated into:
>多利益相关方
>Note that the first and the last character "多方" combines to form the
>usual translation for "Multi-Lateral", with "利益相关" meaning "interested"
>or "vested-interests"
>
>In Hong Kong (and in earlier translations to Chinese in fact), we find no
>real problem translating "Multistakeholder" into Chinese:
>多持分者
>"多" being multi, "持分者" being "stakeholder", the Chinese term basically
>means "person with a part" so, like the English term, it avoids the
>economic/interest connotations.
>
>Nevertheless, that seems to be deprecate in China in favor of what really
>means "multi-lateral vested-interests"
>
>Often much is lost in translation... but I personally find it interesting
>to look into the differences in "interpretation" through translation of
>certain words.  Especially key terms like these.
>
>
>Edmon
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: apac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:apac-discuss-
>> bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Subrenat, Jean-Jacques
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 4:12 PM
>> To: Evan Leibovitch
>> Cc: PacNOG; Cecily FAASAU; oceania-icann at icann.org; Pacific Islands
>>Chapter
>> of the Internet Society Discussion List; igf-pacific; At-Large
>>Worldwide; Alejandro
>> Pisanty Baruch; apralo; members2014 at thespacs.org; Arab IGF mailing list;
>> Caribbean ICT stakeholders Virtual Community (CIVIC)
>> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global
>>Internet
>> Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
>> 
>> Hello Alejandro,
>> 
>> thanks for providing the link to the article in English on the
>>"People.cn" website,
>> which is the online version of the "People's Daily", China's most
>>official daily
>> newspaper since 1949.
>> 
>> Having attended the meeting in Sao Paulo, I can vouch for these facts:
>> - after making his presentation, the Chinese Minister asked if there
>>were any
>> questions. As the recording will show, the comments or questions were
>>mainly
>> concentrated on two aspects:
>> - Human Rights in the context of the Internet (3 members),
>> - the wider geo-political context in which an observer can view the new
>>interest of
>> the Chinese authorities in global Internet governance matters,
>>including NMI (1
>> member).
>> 
>> I trust the European Commission will be keen to provide the exact quote
>>of what
>> its representative said in Sao Paulo.
>> 
>> Jean-Jacques.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Mail original -----
>> De: "Evan Leibovitch" <evan at telly.org>
>> À: "Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" <apisan at unam.mx>
>> Cc: "PacNOG" <pacnog at pacnog.org>, oceania-icann at icann.org, "Caribbean
>> ICT stakeholders Virtual Community (CIVIC)" <civic at dgroups.org>,
>>"Pacific
>> Islands Chapter of the Internet Society Discussion List"
>><picisoc at picisoc.org>,
>> "igf-pacific" <igf-pacific at googlegroups.com>, "Arab IGF mailing list"
>> <list at igfarab.org>, "apralo" <apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>,
>> members2014 at thespacs.org, "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large at atlarge-
>> lists.icann.org>, "Cecily FAASAU" <cf at regulator.gov.ws>
>> Envoyé: Mardi 7 Juillet 2015 08:38:05
>> Objet: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance
>> Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alejandro, you are correct in your points. There are plenty of concerns
>>to go
>> around. The larger one, that is the source of the others IMO, remains
>>that NMI
>> remains a largely redundant solution in search of a problem to solve.
>> 
>> This most recent action is simply the latest chapter in the story of
>>NMI's ongoing
>> and desperate search for credibility. This search may indeed address my
>>first
>> point above, if the Chinese involvement in NMI introduces new
>>"problems" to
>> solve... (that the rest of the community may see as not being problems
>>at all...)
>> 
>> On Jul 7, 2015 08:18, "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" < apisan at unam.mx >
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Evan,
>> 
>> 
>> you should probably be more concerned by this, if you go after more
>>substance
>> and reasons to worry:
>> 
>> 
>> 1. China's own "order based" Internet governance, which Minister Lu
>>presented in
>> the NetMundial meeting and Chinese agencies say was praised:
>> 
>> 
>> http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0702/c98649-8914757.html
>> http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0702/c98649-8914757.html
>> 
>> 
>> 2. The composition of the Council with two people not only from the
>>same country
>> but working for its government (one directly and one in an organization
>>that
>> provides consultancy and a career path for the government.)
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe Jean-Jacques has some explanations here, as this happened in his
>> presence.
>> 
>> 
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Desde: at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [
>>at-large-bounces at atlarge-
>> lists.icann.org ] en nombre de Evan Leibovitch [ evan at telly.org ]
>> Enviado el: lunes, 06 de julio de 2015 09:51
>> Hasta: Douglas Onyango
>> CC: PacNOG; igf-pacific; Caribbean ICT stakeholders Virtual Community
>>(CIVIC);
>> Pacific Islands Chapter of the Internet Society Discussion List;
>>oceania-
>> icann at icann.org ; Arab IGF mailing list; apralo;
>>members2014 at thespacs.org ;
>> At-Large Worldwide; Cecily FAASAU
>> Asunto: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet
>>Governance
>> Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 July 2015 at 16:41, Douglas Onyango < ondouglas at gmail.com > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the explanation.
>> I think a lot of people will be pleased to learn that we don't have
>> another entity cropping up in this space.
>> 
>> Your response w.r.t to Chinese reporting also clarifies why Jack Ma's
>> appointment seems to overshadow the rest of the co-chairs.
>> 
>> I guess this frees us up to deliberate more on the arbitrary and
>> unprecedented co-chair selection criteria.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I suppose so, and I too appreciate the explanation ... though the
>>episode, as
>> described, indicates a remarkable lack of media relations competence.
>>Such a
>> major issues as "what is the group named", one would think, should not
>>be the
>> subject of such needless confusion.
>> 
>> 
>> But now that THAT's out of the way .... we can get back to the original
>>issue of
>> trying to figure out exactly what problem this organization --
>>whatever it is called --
>> is supposed to non-redundantly solve. ;-) Adding Chinese representation
>>to the
>> mix doesn't magically provide an answer to that question.
>> 
>> 
>> - Evan
>> 
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