[APAC-Discuss] [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA

Edmon Chung edmon at registry.asia
Tue Jul 7 09:46:36 UTC 2015


China is certainly an interesting case.

At the recent APrIGF event, a panel led by CNNIC, with the topic: Developing IG Principles with Geographic Diverse Perspective (http://apps.rigf.asia/submission/proposaldetail?id=31 | adobeconnect recording: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p5mggn3qc75/?launcher=false&fcsContent=true&pbMode=normal), the Chinese representative reiterated a number of times that it is difficult to translate "Multistakeholder" into Chinese and therefore the Chinese views that "Multi-Lateral" is a more appropriate term to use.

>From what I understand, in Mainland China, "Multistakeholder" is now often translated into:
多利益相关方
Note that the first and the last character "多方" combines to form the usual translation for "Multi-Lateral", with "利益相关" meaning "interested" or "vested-interests"

In Hong Kong (and in earlier translations to Chinese in fact), we find no real problem translating "Multistakeholder" into Chinese:
多持分者
"多" being multi, "持分者" being "stakeholder", the Chinese term basically means "person with a part" so, like the English term, it avoids the economic/interest connotations.

Nevertheless, that seems to be deprecate in China in favor of what really means "multi-lateral vested-interests"

Often much is lost in translation... but I personally find it interesting to look into the differences in "interpretation" through translation of certain words.  Especially key terms like these.


Edmon




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> bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Subrenat, Jean-Jacques
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> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet
> Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
> 
> Hello Alejandro,
> 
> thanks for providing the link to the article in English on the "People.cn" website,
> which is the online version of the "People's Daily", China's most official daily
> newspaper since 1949.
> 
> Having attended the meeting in Sao Paulo, I can vouch for these facts:
> - after making his presentation, the Chinese Minister asked if there were any
> questions. As the recording will show, the comments or questions were mainly
> concentrated on two aspects:
> - Human Rights in the context of the Internet (3 members),
> - the wider geo-political context in which an observer can view the new interest of
> the Chinese authorities in global Internet governance matters, including NMI (1
> member).
> 
> I trust the European Commission will be keen to provide the exact quote of what
> its representative said in Sao Paulo.
> 
> Jean-Jacques.
> 
> 
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> ----- Mail original -----
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> À: "Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" <apisan at unam.mx>
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> Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Alejandro, you are correct in your points. There are plenty of concerns to go
> around. The larger one, that is the source of the others IMO, remains that NMI
> remains a largely redundant solution in search of a problem to solve.
> 
> This most recent action is simply the latest chapter in the story of NMI's ongoing
> and desperate search for credibility. This search may indeed address my first
> point above, if the Chinese involvement in NMI introduces new "problems" to
> solve... (that the rest of the community may see as not being problems at all...)
> 
> On Jul 7, 2015 08:18, "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" < apisan at unam.mx >
> wrote:
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Evan,
> 
> 
> you should probably be more concerned by this, if you go after more substance
> and reasons to worry:
> 
> 
> 1. China's own "order based" Internet governance, which Minister Lu presented in
> the NetMundial meeting and Chinese agencies say was praised:
> 
> 
> http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0702/c98649-8914757.html
> http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0702/c98649-8914757.html
> 
> 
> 2. The composition of the Council with two people not only from the same country
> but working for its government (one directly and one in an organization that
> provides consultancy and a career path for the government.)
> 
> 
> Maybe Jean-Jacques has some explanations here, as this happened in his
> presence.
> 
> 
> Alejandro Pisanty
> 
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> Hasta: Douglas Onyango
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> On 6 July 2015 at 16:41, Douglas Onyango < ondouglas at gmail.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for the explanation.
> I think a lot of people will be pleased to learn that we don't have
> another entity cropping up in this space.
> 
> Your response w.r.t to Chinese reporting also clarifies why Jack Ma's
> appointment seems to overshadow the rest of the co-chairs.
> 
> I guess this frees us up to deliberate more on the arbitrary and
> unprecedented co-chair selection criteria.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I suppose so, and I too appreciate the explanation ... though the episode, as
> described, indicates a remarkable lack of media relations competence. Such a
> major issues as "what is the group named", one would think, should not be the
> subject of such needless confusion.
> 
> 
> But now that THAT's out of the way .... we can get back to the original issue of
> trying to figure out exactly what problem ​this organization -- whatever it is called --
> is supposed to non-redundantly solve. ;-) Adding Chinese representation to the
> mix doesn't magically provide an answer to that question.
> 
> 
> - Evan
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