[ALAC] [ALAC-Announce] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: ALS Application (307) Internet Society Rural Development Special Interest Group
Tijani BEN JEMAA
tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn
Thu Sep 19 07:02:36 UTC 2019
Alan,
"but I have an aversion for doing things in violation of our own rules and
the ICANN Bylaws."
I agree 100%
Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> a écrit :
> This is not a result of just our "rules", but is also a core principle
> from the ICANN Bylaws. I quote:
>
>> /THE CRITERIA AND STANDARDS FOR THE CERTIFICATION OF AT-LARGE
>> STRUCTURES SHALL BE ESTABLISHED IN SUCH A WAY THAT PARTICIPATION BY
>> INDIVIDUAL INTERNET USERS WHO ARE CITIZENS OR RESIDENTS OF COUNTRIES
>> WITHIN THE GEOGRAPHIC REGION OF THE RALO WILL PREDOMINATE IN THE
>> OPERATION OF EACH AT-LARGE STRUCTURE WITHIN THE RALO, WHILE NOT
>> NECESSARILY EXCLUDING ADDITIONAL PARTICIPATION, COMPATIBLE WITH THE
>> INTERESTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL INTERNET USERS WITHIN THE REGION, BY
>> OTHERS./
>
> I see two ways of "fixing" this. Both would require a Bylaw change
> (certainly possible).
>
> 1. Abolish RALOs and have all ALSes and unaffiliated members be one
> amorphous mass. This removes the need to identify an ALS with a specific
> RALO, since there are none.
>
> 2. Develop the concept of an ALS which crosses RALOs and thus does not
> belong to any of them.
>
> If indeed we have a potential ALS that will really help At-Large, we
> don't want to lose them, but I have an aversion for doing things in
> violation of our own rules and the ICANN Bylaws.
>
> Alan
>
> At 17/09/2019 11:53 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>
>> Hi Olivier
>>
>> Maybe the rules need changing. Just because a group has members from
>> all over the world, why should we stop them from becoming members of
>> At-Large.
>>
>> The group currently had a leadership team whose members are all
>> resident in the APRALO region. They are one of the few applications
>> that I have seen that actually mentioned the DNS. As an ISOC chapter
>> focusing on rural development, it probably has a majority of members
>> from APRALO if all of its leadership team is from the same region.
>>
>> Since our current rules only note the primary and secondary members of
>> an ALS regardless of who is most active in our work in At-Large, when
>> it comes to who the other members are, no-one really bothers to ask. I
>> would hazard a guess that if we were to do an analysis (and were to be
>> so picky) we would have several groups that have global members.
>>
>> _If we get active participants out of this ALS_ we should count
>> ourselves lucky. That is the whole point of our ALS recruitment
>> process. And as part of our Review we are finding that many of our
>> processes need updating to keep up with the changing needs of the
>> environments we are having to deal with.
>>
>> EURALO itself has been faced with an anomaly which does not fit the
>> rules, but we have found LACRALO to be very obliging to cater for it.
>> And as we revise our ALS Criteria and Expectations we will have to
>> include a new "rule" that allows for ALSes to participate in an event
>> on a neighbouring country that "does not belong to the region in which
>> they are situated". BIKLAB is now a precedent which will allow this to
>> happen more within our system as long as there is agreement between the
>> regions concerned.
>>
>> APRALO has many small island countries in the Pacific that have been
>> unable to participate in ICANN activities in their own right under our
>> current rules because they are territories of big power countries
>> (mainly in EURALO) who are given no support from their home region and
>> would have no idea what EURALO was. Pacific countries are an anomaly
>> because as all the 22 countries and territories of the Pacific are
>> members of the Pacific Forum, they are therefore members of PICISOC, so
>> in fact are members of an ALS already -- so we have international
>> participants in our membership, even though they live in the Pacific.
>>
>> Maureen
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2019, 3:14 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, <ocl at gih.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> * Dear Maureen,
>>
>> * I am very surprised to see this having reached the ALAC with a
>> recommendation from APRALO that this should be accepted. This should
>> have been picked up at Due Diligence: Internet Society Special Interest
>> Groups are global as per the explanation on
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/sigs
>> * This countervenes ALAC rules which specify that ALSes must be
>> geographical. See tinyurl.com/ALAC-RoP-AdjDoc4-2013-07[1]
>>
>> * "2. Be organised so that participation by individual Internet
>> users who are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic
>> Region in which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS'
>> operation. The ALS may permit additional participation by others that
>> is compatible with the interests of the individual Internet users
>> within the region."
>>
>> * The key words are "be organised" - and as much as I support the
>> work of the Internet Society Rurel Special Interest Group, rural areas
>> are not limited to Asia. Unless there is a commitment that this SIG
>> will restrict the majority of its membership to come from the Asia
>> region. The explicit response of the SIG in due diligence was "this is
>> a global SIG".
>>
>> * I also have a concern that it would be possible to create one
>> SIG after another in ISOC and the meaning of ALS no longer applies as
>> you are effectively creating votes.
>>
>> * The question of "geographical" was asked on the APRALO mailing
>> list as recently as 11 September 2019 (
>>
https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/apac-discuss/2019-September/004952.html[2]
) but I do not see any response to
>> this.
>>
>> * Kindest regards,
>>
>> * Olivier
>>
>> * On 18/09/2019 01:58, ICANN At-Large Staff wrote:
>>
>>> * Dear All,
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> * The regional advice from APRALO regarding the ALS
>>> Application (307) Internet Society Rural Development Special Interest
>>> Group has been received.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> * The following question has been posed to the ALAC:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> * *****
>>>
>>> * Question: Does the ALAC wish to accredit the (307)
>>> Internet Society Rural Development Special Interest Group? The
>>> regional advice was to accept the application.
>>>
>>> * *****
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> * Please note that this vote will close on Tuesday, 24
>>> September 2019 23:59 UTC.
>>>
>>>
>>> * Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> *
>>>
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Tijani BENJEMAA
Executive Director
Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
Telephone: +216 52 385 114
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