[ALAC] EPDP Early input

Tue Aug 28 20:42:42 UTC 2018

As I replied to Marita, I can live with the short 
statement she suggested but I would also like to 
understand what reservations there are about the 
specific issues addressed in SAC101. Although 
there are items there that I was not previously 
aware of, as far as I can tell (and I may have 
missed something), all of their recommendations 
are in support of providing adequate access for security professionals.

Alan

At 28/08/2018 04:17 PM, Holly Raiche wrote:
>Joanna, Marita- thatâ€™s what this list is for - 
>listening to each other, and Iâ€m really 
>pleased to hear both of your voices.  The only 
>way we can ever reach a real consensus is to 
>speak up - and then listen respectfully - so great that both of you spoke up.
>
>Holly
>On 29 Aug 2018, at 6:03 am, Joanna Kulesza 
><<mailto:jkuleszaicann at gmail.com>jkuleszaicann at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Thank you Marita. I am fully aware of that 
>>controversy hence my concern. SSAC view of 
>>adequate/tiered access might (?) be different 
>>from ours, that's the reason for my questions. 
>>Just a newcomer looking to learn ;)
>>
>>Looking forward to hearing other views,
>>J.
>>
>>W dniu wtorek, 28 sierpnia 2018 Marita Moll 
>><<mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>mmoll at ca.inter.net> napisaÅ‚(a):
>> > Hi. Yes, "adequate access" is a very blurry 
>> term. However, tiered access is one of the key 
>> topics being explored in the EPDP process -- 
>> and I guess there will be very intense 
>> discussions about what is considered 
>> "adequate" and for whom. The controversy is already in full swing.
>> >
>> > Marita
>> >
>> > On 8/28/2018 3:35 PM, Joanna Kulesza wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you Alan, I fully see your point. As 
>> already said, if the group do decide to go for 
>> a more nuanced response, I'm happy to help 
>> with the drafting. Just to briefly respond to 
>> Marita's suggestion:  I would assume the 
>> details of any "adequate access" are bound to 
>> stir controversy. Yet if the group decide we 
>> are for full endorsement, I will halt my concerns.
>> >
>> > Just my two cents. Thanks!
>> > J.
>> >
>> > W dniu wtorek, 28 sierpnia 2018 Alan 
>> Greenberg 
>> <<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> napisaÅ‚(a):
>> >> I can only give you my opinion. I cannot 
>> say whether our position is identical to that 
>> of SSAC, but I cannot see anything in that 
>> document that I do not believe is in support 
>> of our needs. I do not think that we have the 
>> bacndwidth to work from scratch at the moment, 
>> and in a timely manner. Voicing support for 
>> this report was a quick action that I believed 
>> we could take without compromising our position.
>> >>
>> >> I would be interested in understanding what 
>> we do not agree with and we could certainly 
>> add those caveats if there was agreement.
>> >>
>> >> And thank you for jumping in!  :-)
>> >>
>> >> Alan
>> >>
>> >> At 28/08/2018 05:09 AM, Joanna Kulesza wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thank you Alan and Andrei for the updates.
>> >>
>> >> Please excuse my newcomer confusion - not 
>> meaning to stir the pot here - but I'm 
>> wondering how close At-Large's/ALAC's position 
>> is to that of the SSAC? Do we agree with their 
>> report 100%? My initial thinking is that 
>> representing users, we might want a somewhat 
>> more diversified approach than that offered by 
>> the SSAC, ensuring full GDPR compliance (I'm 
>> happy to elaborate if needed). Also, would it 
>> make sense to take on the positions of other 
>> communities in our statement, if only for the 
>> sake of future consensus building? As already 
>> briefly mentioned to Alan, I'm happy to help with the drafting if needed.
>> >>
>> >> Best to all,
>> >> Joanna Kulesza
>> >> --------------------------------
>> >> Joanna Kulesza, PhD
>> >> assistant professor of international law and Internet governance
>> >> Faculty of Law and Administration, University of Lodz
>> >> Kopcinskiego Street 8/12, 90-232 Lodz, Poland
>> >> publications: 
>> <https://unilodz.academia.edu/JoannaKulesza/>https://unilodz.academia.edu/JoannaKulesza/
>> >> website: 
>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/kuleszajoanna>https://pl.linkedin.com/in/kuleszajoanna
>> >>
>> >> wt., 28 sie 2018 o 08:27 Alan Greenberg 
>> <<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca  
>>  > napisaÃ
‚(a): As I mentioned on the ALAC 
>> call that has justt completed, all EPDP 
>> participant groups have been given the 
>> opportunity to provide "early input" into the EPDP.
>> >> So far, the SSAC and the NCSG has done so. 
>> Their input can be found at 
>> <https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ>https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ.
>> >> The SSAC's input consisted of their recent 
>> report SAC101. A copy is attached for your convenience.
>> >> I would like to suggest that the ALAC 
>> submit a statement saying that we support 
>> SAC101, as it is in line with our stated 
>> position of trying to ensure that security 
>> professionals and law enforcement have adequate access to WHOIS/RDS data.
>> >> I open the floor for discussion and will 
>> initiate a Consensus Call later in the week.
>> >> Alan 
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