[ALAC] CONSENSUS CALL: Reconstitution of CROPP Review Team
Wolf Ludwig
wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net
Fri Mar 6 17:11:51 UTC 2015
Plus 1 on Olivier's and Alan's reasoning.
Best, Wolf
Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:05:
>Dear Ali,
>
>there are many working groups in At-Large that are open for everyone to
>join. Of these, a very small subset (4 out of 20) have participation
>where RALOs and the ALAC appoint members and the reason for this is that
>these need to perform specific tasks that require specific knowledge
>(both skills and historical) to take part, often under very tight
>timeline considerations. These are not a compatible environment where
>learning takes place.
>
>The Outreach and Engagement sub-committee is an open group so that's
>probably where someone can start if they wish to be involved more in
>At-Large activities. https://community.icann.org/x/cqfbAQ
>
>For more information about all working groups, please consult:
>https://community.icann.org/x/loIi
>
>Kindest regards,
>
>Olivier
>
>On 06/03/2015 11:51, Ali AlMeshal wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Olivier,
>> While it make sense in one side "as you explained" , but on the
>> other side you are limiting the participation of new members as well
>> as you are giving more opportunity to the existing members of the FBSC
>> and Outreach (in this example). In my personal view I can see this
>> approach and concept is leading to "CLOSE Loop participation", which
>> it should not be the case.
>>
>> Ali
>>
>> On 6 Mar 2015 11:53, "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" <ocl at gih.com
>> <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
>>
>> That makes sense.
>>
>> A quick reminder why the people on the CROPP need to be either
>> from the
>> Finance & Budget Sub-committee or from the Outreach & Engagement
>> Sub-committee:
>>
>> - FBSC: because the FBSC is tasked with drafting financial
>> requests from
>> the ALAC and also engaging in all matters related to ICANN's financial
>> plan, strategic plan, operational plan. Knowledge of these matters is
>> mandatory when approving/amending CROPP requests especially when it
>> comes approving requests in-line with ICANN's strategy.
>> - Outreach & Engagement: because CROPP stands for Community Regional
>> Outreach Pilot Program - it is a program for *Outreach* so it makes
>> sense that the Outreach & Engagement WG is directly involved.
>>
>> It would not make any sense that someone not a member of these
>> sub-committees be a CROPP Review Team.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>>
>> On 06/03/2015 09:07, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote:
>> > I believe I argued that any "picks / suggestions" from a RALO
>> should be
>> > actual effective contributors to their roles in FBSC or Outreach
>> SC and so
>> > is in total keeping with the new outline distributed by Alan,
>> and not the
>> > thought that Judith attributed to me... (Unless I was perhaps in
>> a fugue
>> > state ;-)
>> >
>> >
>> > *Cheryl Langdon-O**rr ... *(CLO)
>> >
>> > about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr>
>> > [image: Cheryl Langdon-Orr on about.me <http://about.me>]
>> > <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr>
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6 March 2015 at 17:56, Ali AlMeshal <dralialmeshal at gmail.com
>> <mailto:dralialmeshal at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am not aware of the reason behind this change but if this is
>> something
>> >> that has been discussed and agreed on initially in Singapore,
>> then I would
>> >> support the thought of Cheryl as mentioned by Judith.
>> >> Ali
>> >> On 6 Mar 2015 04:37, "Judith Hellerstein"
>> <judith at jhellerstein.com <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Allan,
>> >>>
>> >>> I thought that Cheryl had added another verse to the rules
>> stating that
>> >>> the RALOs could appoint anyone to serve as the CROPP RT person
>> and this
>> >>> person does not have to be in the fsbc or in the outreach team
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Judith
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>> Judith at jhellerstein.com <mailto:Judith at jhellerstein.com>
>> >>> Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Alan Greenberg
>> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> The main difference is that there are people on the current
>> CROPP RT
>> >> who
>> >>> may not be on the current FBSC or the new Outreach &
>> Engagement SC. Or
>> >> may
>> >>> be on, but not the preferred one to be chosen. Also the
>> selection process
>> >>> is somewhat different.
>> >>>> Alan
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On March 5, 2015 5:25:32 PM EST, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <
>> >> ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>> Dear Alan,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> thanks for this. Could you please explain what is the
>> difference with
>> >>>>> the current CROPP Review Team that is currently functioning
>> and is
>> >>>>> being
>> >>>>> led by Dev Anand Teelucksingh?
>> >>>>> Kindest regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Olivier
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 05/03/2015 17:48, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>> >>>>>> The CROPP Review Team is currently composed of two people
>> per Region,
>> >>>>>> one from the FBSC and one from the Outreach Subcommittee.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Based on deliberations of the ALAC in Singapore, the
>> recommendation
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>>> that:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> - CROPP RT for the FY16 will consist of ten people, two per
>> region.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> - One person from each region, representing the FBSC, from
>> among FBSC
>> >>>>>> regional Members and Participants, will be selected by the FBSC
>> >>>>>> Members and Chair. This selection must be ratified by regional
>> >>>>>> leadership.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> - One person from each region, representing the Outreach and
>> >>>>>> Engagement SC, from among the Members or Participants of
>> the Outreach
>> >>>>>> and Engagement SC, will be selected by regional leadership.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> With this message, I am requesting a CONSENSUS CALL of the
>> ALAC to
>> >>>>>> approve the above CROPP Review Team composition. If you
>> oppose this,
>> >>>>>> please let your feelings be known no later than 12 March 2015.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> For clarity, in a CONSENSUS CALL, you may choose to
>> explicitly voice
>> >>>>>> your support, but silence will be taken as agreement.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Alan
>> >>>>>>
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>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
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