[ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes

[Fatima Cambronero]

Dear All,



I agree with Sandra on this.

I expressed in our last teleconference a similar point: our roles are as
representatives from our RALOs.

I think whenever possible, our votes in certification and decertification
processes should be open and transparent and be available to be consulted
for our RALOs.

I believe it is easy to deal with happy people, when we voted in the same
sense that our RALO expressed. But the main skill of a leader is dealing
with less happy people when we voted on contrary sense of their "mandate".
If we can explain why our votes were in different sense, we don't be
worried because some RALO members don't smile us anymore.

Just my 2 cents.



Best Regards,

Fatima

2014-10-03 14:39 GMT-03:00 Alberto Soto <asoto at ibero-americano.org>:

> Again, I agree Alan. Not all measures of a democratic government, are
> ideal.
> Seek balance, governance and better functionality.
> Regards
>
> Alberto
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:
> alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg
> Enviado el: viernes, 03 de octubre de 2014 02:30 p.m.
> Para: sandra hoferichter; Evan Leibovitch
> CC: ALAC
> Asunto: Re: [ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes
>
> Most votes would be open. Our rules allow someone to explain their vote if
> they wish (particularly a no or abstain). For those few votes where there
> is no recommendation from the RALO, the vote would be secret, BUT we would
> be able to privately request a rationale for the vote.
>
> You are correct (in my view) that in an ideal world, the ALAC members, who
> have an obligation to support the ALAC, At-Large and ICANN, could vote
> against the wishes of some in their RALO, and could justify this. The same
> is true for personnel votes, and some parts of ICANN have those open as
> well.
>
> But I am not sure ALAC members are paid enough to subject them to possible
> harassment if we can easily remedy it.
>
> Alan
>
> At 03/10/2014 01:17 PM, sandra hoferichter wrote:
> >Hi all, my thoughts on one point. I understand or self as being
> >privileged in terms that most of us are elected by their RALOs to
> >represent their interest. They put trust in us. Sometimes we have to
> >take decisions such as certification and decertification. I see the
> >point of personal relationships within a RALO - which might be
> >challenged depending on he vote. BUT as we have a certain
> >responsibility here I think all of us should take that burden to
> >justify a decision personally within the region and globally as a
> >group. This would be in my POV the most democratic approach.
> >
> >Best Sandra
> >
> >(Note: This message was send from my iPhone - I do apologise for any
> >misspelling.)
> >
> > > Am 03.10.2014 um 17:52 schrieb Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>:
> > >
> > > On 3 October 2014 11:42, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> You are saying that your suggestion for for 2 would be:
> > >>
> > >> 2. We have general agreement that for certification votes where
> > >> there is definitive regional advice, we should have standard open
> > >> votes. For cases where there is not definitive regional
> > advice, how ALAC members vote should
> > >> not be published.
> > >
> > > ​Yes, that is a clearer expression of my internt. Thanks.​
> > >
> > > ​- Evan​
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