[ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes

[Alan Greenberg]

This is getting to be interesting.

So far, I think that we have general agreement on 
how to handle all votes except a certification 
where the RALO is undecided. Here we have multiple positions.

1. Secret but staff/chair can access details
2. Everything secret.
3. Everything published.

Alan

At 03/10/2014 01:42 PM, Fatima Cambronero wrote:

>Dear All,
>
>I agree with Sandra on this.
>
>I expressed in our last teleconference a similar 
>point: our roles are as representatives from our RALOs.
>
>I think whenever possible, our votes in 
>certification and decertification processes 
>should be open and transparent and be available to be consulted for our RALOs.
>
>I believe it is easy to deal with happy people, 
>when we voted in the same sense that our RALO 
>expressed. But the main skill of a leader is 
>dealing with less happy people when we voted on 
>contrary sense of their "mandate". If we can 
>explain why our votes were in different sense, 
>we don't be worried because some RALO members don't smile us anymore.
>
>Just my 2 cents.
>
>
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Fatima
>
>2014-10-03 14:39 GMT-03:00 Alberto Soto 
><<mailto:asoto at ibero-americano.org>asoto at ibero-americano.org>:
>Again, I agree Alan. Not all measures of a democratic government, are ideal.
>Seek balance, governance and better functionality.
>Regards
>
>Alberto
>
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: 
><mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
>[mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alan Greenberg
>Enviado el: viernes, 03 de octubre de 2014 02:30 p.m.
>Para: sandra hoferichter; Evan Leibovitch
>CC: ALAC
>Asunto: Re: [ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes
>
>Most votes would be open. Our rules allow 
>someone to explain their vote if they wish 
>(particularly a no or abstain). For those few 
>votes where there is no recommendation from the 
>RALO, the vote would be secret, BUT we would be 
>able to privately request a rationale for the vote.
>
>You are correct (in my view) that in an ideal 
>world, the ALAC members, who have an obligation 
>to support the ALAC, At-Large and ICANN, could 
>vote against the wishes of some in their RALO, 
>and could justify this. The same is true for 
>personnel votes, and some parts of ICANN have those open as well.
>
>But I am not sure ALAC members are paid enough 
>to subject them to possible harassment if we can easily remedy it.
>
>Alan
>
>At 03/10/2014 01:17 PM, sandra hoferichter wrote:
> >Hi all, my thoughts on one point. I understand or self as being
> >privileged in terms that most of us are elected by their RALOs to
> >represent their interest. They put trust in us. Sometimes we have to
> >take decisions such as certification and decertification. I see the
> >point of personal relationships within a RALO - which might be
> >challenged depending on he vote. BUT as we have a certain
> >responsibility here I think all of us should take that burden to
> >justify a decision personally within the region and globally as a
> >group. This would be in my POV the most democratic approach.
> >
> >Best Sandra
> >
> >(Note: This message was send from my iPhone - I do apologise for any
> >misspelling.)
> >
> > > Am 03.10.2014 um 17:52 schrieb Evan 
> Leibovitch <<mailto:evan at telly.org>evan at telly.org>:
> > >
> > > On 3 October 2014 11:42, Alan Greenberg 
> <<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> You are saying that your suggestion for for 2 would be:
> > >>
> > >> 2. We have general agreement that for certification votes where
> > >> there is definitive regional advice, we should have standard open
> > >> votes. For cases where there is not definitive regional
> > advice, how ALAC members vote should
> > >> not be published.
> > >
> > > â€â€¹Yes, that is a clearer expression of my iinternt. Thanks.â€â€¹
> > >
> > > â€â€¹- Evanâ€â€¹
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