[ALAC] [GTLD-WG] Re "Introduction of Two-Character Domain Names in the New gTLD Namespace" Public comment

Holly Raiche h.raiche at internode.on.net
Sun Jul 13 01:24:36 UTC 2014


Hi Dev

thanks for the additional information.  In my mind, it does strengthen the argument for at least a short statement saying that we are concerned - and the two reasons below - there is a history of new country/territory names that should be protected and because of possible user confusion.

Holly
On 13 Jul 2014, at 3:11 am, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee at gmail.com> wrote:

> There may not be massive changes to the ISO 3166 list by the ISO 3166
> Maintenance Agency, but there have been additions and deletions
> in the past 10 years.
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> For example in 2010,
> http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_3166-1_newsletter_vi-8_split_of_the_dutch_antilles_final-en.pdf
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> BQ, CW and SX were added for Bonaire, Saint Eustatius and Saba , Curaçao
> and Sint Maarten (Dutch part) in the Caribbean.
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> My thinking is, why deny new countries and territories from the protections
> established by Specification 5, Section 2 intended to protect the 2
> character ASCII labels of countries and territories?
> 
> Interesting idea that end users may mistake a 2 character ASCII label for
> their country or territory e.g "AN" could be interpreted for Angola or
> Antigua and Barbuda when it used to be for the Netherlands Antilles (now
> removed as this territory no longer exists). Perhaps this was a reason for
> having Specification 5, Section 2 in the gTLD Registry agreement to block
> all 2 character ASCII labels.
> 
> There are many reserved names at the second level denied to new gTLD
> operators.
> See page 68 of the baseline registry agreement at
> http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/agreement-approved-09jan14-en.pdf
> under Specification 5 "Schedule of reserved names"
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> Dev Anand
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> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
>> wrote:
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>> Thank you Maureen.
>> 
>> Actually my argument on the matter is, from AA to ZZ, there are 676
>> permutations. We will never have so many territories anyway since we
>> currently have less than 200 countries. Why deny new gTLD operators
>> from accessing even the two letter second level domains that will
>> never be used by countries?
>> 
>> On 10/07/2014, Maureen Hilyard <hilyard at oyster.net.ck> wrote:
>>> Hi Mwendwa
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> There is nothing wrong with putting forward an argument about the other
>>> matter anyway. Because of my still growing understanding of the issue, I
>>> too
>>> misread it. Still learning.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maureen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: lordmwesh at gmail.com [mailto:lordmwesh at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Mwendwa
>>> Kivuva
>>> Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2014 4:38 a.m.
>>> To: Dev Anand Teelucksingh
>>> Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; gTLD WG; Maureen Hilyard
>>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [ALAC] Re "Introduction of Two-Character Domain
>>> Names
>>> in the New gTLD Namespace" Public comment
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm just realizing the folly of my argument. :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Actually, the call is for second level e.g us.wiki or uk.gop so that
>>> argument may not stand.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ______________________
>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>> 
>>> "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on
>>> higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10 July 2014 17:21, Maureen Hilyard <hilyard at oyster.net.ck> wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1 Mwendwa
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> [mailto:gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mwendwa
>>> Kivuva
>>> Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2014 2:26 a.m.
>>> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
>>> Cc: gTLD WG; ALAC Working List
>>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [ALAC] Re "Introduction of Two-Character Domain
>>> Names
>>> in the New gTLD Namespace" Public comment
>>> 
>>> Thanks Dev for those constructive comments. I hope I'm coherent enough in
>>> my
>>> response :-).
>>> 
>>> On keeping with Specification 5, section 2, I think that clause should
>> not
>>> be cast in stone, even if we we are to protect the interests of unborn
>>> territories. The way I see it, we can preemptively reserve names of new
>>> territories to be formed in the next 20 years based on the information on
>>> either of these lists
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_area
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_limited_recognition
>>> We find that there are just about 10 territories that might be formed in
>>> the
>>> near future.
>>> 
>>> We find many countries not getting ISO 3166-1 codes which are more
>> logical
>>> to their alphabetical country names. For example, UK and US are really
>>> perfect names with no confusion at all. But look at these names Angola -
>> AO
>>> Antigua and Barbuda - AG
>>> [Austria - AT and   Australia -AU] - Very similar country names but
>> Austria
>>> was shortchanged
>>> [Congo - CG and Colombia - CO]
>>> 
>>> Based on the above, new territories can still get "not very appropriate"
>>> names when their desired names have been taken, but we should not reserve
>>> two character names indefinitely if innovators have use for them.
>>> 
>>> After all, even when a new gTLD is applied for, it will still have to
>>> comply
>>> with the guidebook, and go through community advice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Warm Regards
>>> --
>>> ______________________
>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>> 
>>> ______________________
>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>>> 
>>> "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on
>>> higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10 July 2014 10:08, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks for this, Dev.
>>>> You'll note that the Statement is currently marked "No Statement" but
>>>> if there is interest and your comments gain traction, the ALAC could
>>>> indeed make a Statement.
>>>> Kindest regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Olivier
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/07/2014 08:06, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote:
>>>>> Regarding the public comment on "Introduction of Two-Character
>>>>> Domain
>>>> Names
>>>>> in the New gTLD Namespace" at https://community.icann.org/x/VqzhAg
>>>>> which ends July 10 2014, I've posted the following at
>>>>> https://community.icann.org/x/VqzhAg
>>>>> for consideration:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Various registries for multiple gTLDs are applying for exceptions
>>>>> to Specification 5, Section 2 of the New gTLD Registry Agreement
>>>>> ("Specification 5") with some registries suggesting the release of 2
>>>>> character ASCII labels not on the current ISO 3166 standard would
>>>> suffice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> While this seems harmless, there is a possibility of new countries
>>>>> and territories being created, and then allocated a new two
>>>>> character ASCII label by ISO 3166/MA (see
>>>>> 
>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20111101141651/http://www.iso.org/iso/coun
>>> <https://web.archive.org/web/20111101141651/http:/www.iso.org/iso/coun>
>>>> try_codes/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm
>>>>> ).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any new country or territory created after 2014 would therefore not
>>>> receive
>>>>> the same protection as those in the 2014 ISO 3166-2 list and would
>>>>> find that their new 2 character label is "given away", should they
>>>>> wish for their 2 character ASCII label to be protected, as per
>>> Specification 5.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now, should the principle established by Specification 5 protecting
>>>>> 2 character ASCII labels even be in the New gTLD Registry Agreement?
>>>>> Many would say, especially given the prevalence of two character
>>>>> labels in existing TLDs like .com, .org and .net that this principle
>>>>> shouldn't be applied to new gTLDs.
>>>>> However, this (IMO) is a separate issue to the question being asked
>>>>> for
>>>> in
>>>>> the public comment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If Specification 5 is meant to defend the principle that country
>>>>> codes in ISO 3166-2 should be protected in new gTLDs, then it should
>>>>> be enforced
>>>> to
>>>>> ensure future countries and territories with new 2 character ASCII
>>>>> labels are protected in the same way as those territories and
>>>>> countries in
>>>> today's
>>>>> ISO 3166-2 list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Therefore, the proposals by Donuts for 143 of its new gTLDS, .kred
>>>>> by KredTLD Pty Ltd, .best by BestTLD Pty Ltd and .ceo by CEOTLD Pty
>>>>> Ltd.
>>>>> should be turned down in keeping with the principle of Specification
>> 5.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The proposal by .wiki by Top Level Design LLC which specifies that
>>>>> the
>>>> two
>>>>> character ASCII labels will only be used for languages identified by
>>>>> ISO
>>>>> 639-1 does appear to meet the threshold that the use will not be
>>>>> confused with the corresponding country codes, as per Specification
>>>>> 5 and could be approved.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Similarly, the proposal by .globo by Globo Comunicação e
>>>>> Participações
>>>> S.A
>>>>> which proposed the use of two character ASCII labels that are not
>>>>> letters or by two characters where only one of the character is a
>>>>> letter are
>>>> labels
>>>>> that would not be used by ISO 3166-2 and could be approved."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dev Anand Teelucksingh
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> ______________________
>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>> 
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