[ALAC] Rules of Procedure - Draft for discussion at 26 March ALAC meeting

Avri Doria avri at acm.org
Tue Mar 26 15:42:54 UTC 2013


Hi,

Almost the same thing.  
And once the new authority is given, good luck taking it back.

Power tends to aggregate into an ever smaller set of hands until all of sudden you turn around and notice that all sense of representativeness is purely symbolic with the power resting in the hands of a status quo leadership.  As I watch the ALAC, and ICANn for that matter, I see this happening more and more with every proposal and decision.  It is only intentional action to force the decision making out to the ALSes and the Internet Users that an stop this harmful trend.

avri

On 26 Mar 2013, at 10:34, Alan Greenberg wrote:

> For the record, the proposed change gives NO new rights to the ALT.
> 
> It ALLOWS the ALAC to do so if it chooses. Or not if that is the ALAC inclination.
> 
> Alan
> 
> At 26/03/2013 09:59 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Some things, expanded voting rights and bottom-up processes, were defined out of scope from day 0.
>> Some things, expanding the power of ever smaller groups at ICANN, are always in scope.
>> And these days seem all the rage.
>> 
>> I wish you the best of luck in stopping that second trend.
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> On 26 Mar 2013, at 09:39, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>> 
>> > On 26 March 2013 07:25, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think it is interesting to note how willing ALAC seems to transfer decisions to ever smaller groups while remaining reluctant to give the ALSes and members any role in decision making.
>> >
>> > In this particular process, what you ask is out of scope. Each RALO has its own RoP to address not only how the ALSs (and individual members, as appropriate) may participate, but whether or not the ALSs may direct the choices of their elected representatives on issues that come to ALAC votes.
>> >
>> > It ensures regional balance and attempts to avoid capture, in much the same way that the GNSO makes decisions using a carefully-designed Council rather than enabling every individual domain reseller, law firm and vested interest to have individual votes.
>> >
>> >
>> > When it is a matter of allowing voting rights to the ALSes, the subject is first buried and then will allowed a a brief discussion  at  a meeting after the new procedures have been voted on by ALAC.  When it comes to changes like giving the ALT more decision making ability, it is easily done.
>> >
>> >
>> > The current RoP is currently on revision 71, and is at the tail end of a very long process going back at least a year. I myself am tossing in a suggestion now at a very late date, not having been a member of the WG (though of course I could have participated directly and more deeply had I chose to).
>> >
>> > Having been an early critic of the excom, I am personally uncomfortable with the Executive/ALT having any expanded authority. I agree with components of the RoP that demand that any decisions that must be made by an executive for reasons of haste *must* be ratified -- and may be potentially undone -- by the full ALAC as soon as possible.
>> >
>> > - Evan
>> >
>> 
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