[ALAC] Voting infrastructure rules

[Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro]

Hi,

I think that having rule 4 means that we are swayed by how people vote.
People have to exercise independence in the manner they vote and it should
not be tempered with how another has voted.

Not knowing how others have voted means during the voting process brings in
a sense of independence to the process etc. I get the point in terms of
when we organise face to face votes people can see anyhow how people are
voting or likely to vote but given that bulk of the process is done
remotely.

On the other hand there is nothing stopping members from conferring how
they are going to generally vote but I think that to a large extent, it is
useful not to know how people are voting when the process is debated
remotely for the sake of a degree of independence.


Kind Regards,

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:11 PM, JJS <jjs.global at gmail.com> wrote:

> *Thanks Alan for proposing the change to 4), which I support (the rest to
> remain as is).*
> *Jean-Jacques.
> *
> 2013/1/31 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>
> > Currently we have in place a set of rules (approved by the ALAC in
> > June 2009) on how votes are to be conducted (that is votes that are
> > not in reference to named individuals).
> >
> > Those rules are:
> >
> > 1.  As the vote is proceeding, we can see how many people have voted.
> > 2.  As the vote is proceeding, we can see who has voted.
> > 3.  As the vote is proceeding, we can see a tally of how the votes
> > have been cast.
> > 4.  When the vote is ended, we can see how each person has voted.
> > 5.  The order of the options should not change as the vote proceeds.
> > 6.  Outsiders who cannot vote can look at all of the above interim
> results.
> >
> > Rule 4 was there because previously, we had on some occasions used a
> > BigPulse option to order the options so that the winning one was
> > first. The rules were debated and approved because at the time, we
> > seemd to used a semi-random set of voting parameters for each vote.
> >
> > Based on the last few votes, we seem to be back at the state of
> > semi-random variations in each vote (the current ALS approval vote
> > does not allow a voter to see who has already voted, the recent votes
> > on ALAC statements on Thickwhois and IGO/INGO questions did allow
> > viewing the list of those who had voted).
> >
> > Since we are in the process of cleaning up the overall ALAC rules, it
> > makes sense to revisit this one prior to having staff adjust
> > procedures to ensure that our rules are being met.
> >
> > So I ask whether these are the rules we want or if changes need to be
> made.
> >
> > I would suggest one change. Since these rules were created to have a
> > similar effect as a face-to-face vote with all parties and observers
> > in the same room, I would suggest the replacement of 4 with:
> >
> > 4. As the vote is proceeding, we can see how voted have voted.
> >
> > This was considered last time, but was not used due to a fear that
> > seeing how people vote could influence later votes. My thoughts are
> > that this is exactly what happens in a face-to-face vote and should
> > not change because we are voting electronically.
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts on this. Specifically:
> >
> > A) Should we keep the current rules?
> > B) Should we replace 4. as suggested?
> > C) Any other changes you believe we should make?
> >
> > We regularly demand transparency of other parts of ICANN and
> > particularly the Board. I think that we should use the same standard
> > for ourselves.
> >
> > Alan
> >
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