[ALAC] The ESADT, Board Seat 15 and voting

[Alan Greenberg]

All I can give is my understanding, which may well be wrong, and I 
will let Cheryl, who oversaw both processes correct me.

I do not recall any intent to review the entire selection process 
before the next selection. I do recall that there was an intent to do 
a postmortem and fix any operational issues that came up, but not to 
rethink the overall methodology.

Regarding the RoP re-write, the intent has always been to adjust the 
rules and most certainly to clarify them and make them understandable 
and clear. There was not an intent (again, from my understanding) to 
change any basic principles, and that was said quite explicitly with 
respect to the Rule 27 reformulation.

And for the record, I was not comparing your raising this issue to 
the origins of the present RPM discussion, just the re-opening of 
issues that had been debated and closed.

Alan

At 13/01/2013 08:27 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Really? When was this discussed since the first trial of the 
>process.  I was informed that the entire procedure would be reviewed 
>before the next (s)election.  Was that never the plan?  Is it really 
>the plan to not review the (se)election process?  If so, what was 
>the point of the entire ROP.
>
>And I was acting like those who want more RPMs, I would have gone to 
>Fadi with my complaint as opposed to using the so-called proper 
>channels to review a once used process.
>
>Thanks for the suggestion
>
>avri
>
>On 13 Jan 2013, at 19:52, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>
> > Avri, to be clear, this was discussed - a lot. And decided. But 
> like rights protection mechanisms, I guess those who do not like 
> the outcome will raised the issue again.
> >
> > At 13/01/2013 06:53 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for helping me to follow CLO's instructions.
> >> I have done as was requested.
> >>
> >> Then again, that might be the problem: I followed instructions 
> for close on 2 years to try and get the topic on the table 
> regarding the electorate but failed at every turn.  Maybe I failed 
> because I was following instructions.  Lessons learned.
> >>
> >> avri
> >>
> >> On 13 Jan 2013, at 17:46, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
> >>
> >> > Avri:
> >> >
> >> > Here is the link to the wiki page:
> >> >
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/rop-esadt
> >> >
> >> > -ed
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >> > Dear Cheryl,
> >> >
> >> > I have to admit I have trouble finding all those appropriate 
> inside places for comment.  I would have thought this list was a 
> good as one could do.
> >> >
> >> > Despite my long experience at ICANN and my several year 
> experience in At-Large I still find the At-Large web+wiki space a labyrinth.
> >> >
> >> > Assuming I am still around if ever the Electorate is deemed 
> in-topic, I will bring it up again.  In fact, I am not sure I am 
> going to stop bringing it up in the interim, as I will consider a 
> Board seat selection that does not include a wider electorate, suspect at best.
> >> >
> >> > avri
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:08, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Avri,
> >> > >
> >> > > I suggest that at least putting a short note and the link to 
> this piece  in the comments space on several key wiki pages 
> relevant to this topic might be a good ideas as well (in the 
> general esadt space as well as the specific Selection of Board Seat 
> 15 one) so the this view and analysis is readily available when 
> eerily periodically review this topic (and not just now within the 
> overall RoP review process)
> >> > >
> >> > > On 14/01/2013 6:11 AM, "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > I just submitted a blog piece on my disappointment that we 
> will not be seeing a vote the next time ALAC selects someone for 
> the ICANN Board.
> >> > >
> >> > > http://avri.doria.org/post/40444728591/letinternetusersvote
> >> > >
> >> > > avri
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