[WHOIS-WG] Contacts' responsibilities and Public Suffixes

[Michele Neylon :: Blacknight]

I fail to follow your logic

Mr. Michele Neylon
Blacknight
http://Blacknight.tel

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On 25 Apr 2010, at 22:53, "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels at gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>> wrote:

Where I come from, it is a futile exercise to collect - or cause to be collected - disseminate and store invalid data. So, can we agree that if WHOIS data is to be worth more than a warm bucket of spit, it ought to be valid?

And can we further agree that if we conscientiously believe data validity is tangential, then conscience and reason demand its removal from the ICANN registrar contracts?

This would be the honest approach since it relieves ICANN of being fingered for noncompliance with its own rules, itself grist for charges of lax accountability and transparency.

At least those of us on the edge would be unburdened of this unseemly "wink and nod".

Carlton Samuels
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On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Patrick Vande Walle <<mailto:patrick at vande-walle.eu>patrick at vande-walle.eu<mailto:patrick at vande-walle.eu>> wrote:

On 24 Apr 2010, at 15:54, Carlton Samuels wrote:

Collecting the data you suggest may have laudable objectives but I really think we should keep the required WHOIS dataset as skinny as it is currently.

Additionally, SSL certs include a warranty against fraudulous use of $250k.  Hence, no serious CA would dare to offer such a warranty based on unverified information from the WHOIS.
They do manual, out-of-band checks, and this does have a price: SSL certs cost anything between $500 to $3000 . These manual checks allow them to guarantee the information they have about the company asking for the certificate is correct.

IMHO, what we should insist on is that registrars diligently collect and record it.  And that it is validated from time to time by ICANN as a means to enforce its contract.

Yes we should expect registrars to make the same checks as the SSL CA's . Only they should do it for $15/yr, or else the customer will go to a competitor.
What I mean is that those people who expect the WHOIS data to be accurate never explained how and who should bear the cost of the additional checks required. The SSL market shows it can be done, but the price tag is way higher.

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