[NA-Discuss] Fwd: [CPWG] Your Valuable Input Requested - At-Large GeoNames Survey

Thu Feb 27 19:39:26 UTC 2020

 "the whole allocation regime is a corrupt systematic mess anyway..."

I can see the "systematic mess" part of this.  I'm not sure I agree, but I can see it. 
But "corrupt" really ought to be unpacked a little.  Do you have a specific example of corruption you can share? 
Bill Jouris

    On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:34:49 AM PST, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:  

 I don't think I've heard the term "libertarian" used  to describe my views on anything.
I wouldn't confuse my indifference with an explicit stand against regulation or gaining consensus. In my perfect world. popular geo names might be run by foundations that can accommodate the needs of any present or future use of the name. So flipping my previous example, I am against giving .cordoba to the richest or fastest applicant, to the detriment of other locations with the same name.  But that's part of a deeper problem I have with ICANN's re-invention of the way that words can be privately owned.
Compare the way domain names are allocated to the way trademarks are done:- if you don't use it, you lose it- applications for trademarks can be rejected for strings that are too generic or are in common use by others

A discussion of this goes far deeper to the core of what I think is fundamentally wrong with the way ICANN works, but geonames is one of the use cases where ICANN's model really shows its weaknesses. IMO there are no good answers using the current rules, and I guess I might actually prefer to go full anti-libertarian and say that a geoTLD can't be allocated without approval of all entities currently using the name.
Now, that's my view -- but it's not IMO one worth fighting for because the whole allocation regime is a corrupt systematic mess anyway, and any sensible approach will be gamed to death. As you know I think the whole global demand for "memorable" domain names is overblown in these days of apps and QR codes and search engines, so my only real remaining concerns are in harm (ie, abuse) minimization.

I'll put these views into the survey as best as I can.  As for the questions that ask "is this scenario likely?", I'm at a loss to answer because I can't read the minds of those who spend their livelihoods thinking of ways to stretch boundaries to their limits and beyond.

- Evan

On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 13:56, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:

Thanks, I didn’t catch that. Evin, let’s make sure and change option 2 to “Bad.”

EvAn, remember this is not about second level domains. It’s about first. So .ALPS, .MARA, .EUGENE, etc. You might still not care but I wanted to clarify. There ARE questions in there that would reveal your more libertarian view on the topic, for sure.

From: NA-Discuss <na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:51 AM
To: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: [CPWG] Your Valuable Input Requested - At-Large GeoNames Survey

I think there's a flaw in the survey.

The range of "goodness"measured for a few scenarios is

1 - Very bad

2 - Not bad

3 - Neural/don't care

4 - Good

5 Very good

At least in the way I use the terms .... "not bad" is equivalent to "good", so choice 2 and 4 are identical.

I think you mean that choice 2 should just be "Bad"

FWIW, I personally don't care at all about protecting geo names except for within the ccTLDs of where those names are located. I'm fine with protecting both cordoba.es and cordoba.ar, but I don't care at all what happens to cordoba.anythingelse and don't believe they need to ask permission.

Not sure how that sentiment gets conveyed in the survey.

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 17:35, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com> wrote:

For those of you that follow/participate theCPWG (At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group)

work please fill out the following survey.

Thanks.

-ed

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From: Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu at icann.org>
Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:54 AM
Subject: [CPWG] Your Valuable Input Requested - At-Large GeoNames Survey
To: cpwg at icann.org <cpwg at icann.org>

Dear All,

Following up from theSingle Issue Call on SubPro GeoNames yesterday, please take a few minutes to provide valuable input via the At-Large GeoNames Survey:

https://forms.gle/r4jKyCzWtAXXdX3o7 

The results of the survey may be discussed on the follow-up Single Issue Call on SubPro GeoNames, to be scheduled in the near future.

Thank you,

Evin

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