[NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the election tie

Alan Greenberg alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Sat Jul 27 19:50:33 UTC 2013


Thanks Darlene. There is no question that we need a obust set of 
rules that can handle situations such as this. The only immediate 
question, as I outlined in my earlier note, is do we need them for 
THIS election.

Alan

At 27/07/2013 03:18 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
>Thank you Bob,
>
>Along this line, when NARALO was still new and nobody really knew 
>what they were doing, Luc and I did just fine sharing 
>responsibilities.  We e-mailed back and forth a lot and just decided 
>between us who would do what.  It was pretty easy.
>
>NARALO has now grown a lot, as have the people within it.  Each 
>person brings their own talents and skills to the table.  I think 
>that Glenn and my talents are diverse enough that we should be able 
>to divvy up the workload and actually be able to grow more 
>initiatives for the region - each taking the lead in what they 
>prefer or where their skills are.  I am quite flexible and would, of 
>course, do everything I can to make it work - as I always do.  I do 
>not think that we need the job to be "codified" as it is constantly 
>changing as per the needs of the group.
>
>Having said that, I would also be in favour of the tie-breaker 
>solution offered by the 3 ALAC members but my preference will always 
>be to try to grow and expand the talent pool in the region.
>
>D
>
>Darlene A. Thompson
>CAP Administrator
>N-CAP/Department of Education
>P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
>Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
>Phone:  (867) 975-5631
>Fax:  (867) 975-5610
>dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>________________________________________
>From: na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
>[na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Bob Bruen 
>[bruen at coldrain.net]
>Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:24 PM
>To: Thomas Lowenhaupt
>Cc: NARALO Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the election tie
>
>Hi,
>
>Darlene has been at this job for long enough to know what to do. I expect
>that she and Glenn could figure out how to share the responsibilities,
>then let us know. They are both reasonable adults. If there is a problem,
>I am sure the Chair could be helpful in settling it.
>
>
>               --bob
>
>On Sat, 27 Jul 2013, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote:
>
> > I think the shared responsibility can work. But we must define specific
> > responsibilities and metrics for each co-secretary.  These metrics will be
> > quite helpful when the next election comes along, at least in 
> evaluating the
> > performance of the cos.
> >
> > Tom Lowenhaupt
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/27/2013 11:37 AM, Skuce, Allan wrote:
> >> I still prefer #3. What an opportunity to grow, lead by example, and deal
> >> with the great workload. Cheers, Allan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Dharma Dailey
> >> <dharma.dailey at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Have we reached clarity on whether folks feel the job can be shared?  The
> >>> last message from Glenn, I recall, was along the lines of  "looking into
> >>> it."  It might be easier on all parties if some of the details were
> >>> discussed before hand so no one is surprised re: who is doing what.
> >>>
> >>> Dharma
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 26, 2013, at 6:44 PM, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1 at GOV.NU.CA>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to encourage all NARALO members to consider the options
> >>> that Evan has posited below and respond to same.  Without consensus we
> >>> cannot move forward on this issue.
> >>>> Thank you for your time on this!
> >>>>
> >>>> D
> >>>>
> >>>> Darlene A. Thompson
> >>>> CAP Administrator
> >>>> N-CAP/Department of Education
> >>>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
> >>>> Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
> >>>> Phone:  (867) 975-5631
> >>>> Fax:  (867) 975-5610
> >>>> dthompson at gov.nu.ca
> >>>> ________________________________________
> >>>> From: na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [
> >>> na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Evan 
> Leibovitch [
> >>> evan at telly.org]
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 4:44 PM
> >>>> To: NARALO Discussion List
> >>>> Subject: [NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the 
> election tie
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to suggest conducting a poll of NARALO members on the best
> >>> way
> >>>> to deal with the tie for Secretariat resulting from the recently-held
> >>> vote.
> >>>> While we need to revise our regulations regarding tie-breaking, we have
> >>> an
> >>>> immediate need to resolve the current situation before the next ICANN
> >>>> meeting.
> >>>>
> >>>> Based on discussions I have heard to date, there are three paths to
> >>>> resolving this that have received some interest:
> >>>>
> >>>>    1. Random tie-break
> >>>>    The votes for ALSs and unaffiliated members is re-held, and the rules
> >>>>    are modified. If another tie results, the tie is broken by a random
> >>> method,
> >>>>    supervised by at least two non-candidate members and/or At-Large
> >>>> staff.
> >>>>
> >>>>    2. Tie-break by NA-Region ALAC members
> >>>>    The votes for ALSs and unaffiliated members is re-held and he rules
> >>>> are
> >>>>    modified. If another tie results, the tie is broken by a consensus
> >>> achieved
> >>>>    in private by the three ALAC members for North America (Alan, Eduardo
> >>> and
> >>>>    myself). Since there are three of us, no deadlock is allowed there
> >>>>
> >>>>    3. Shared Secretariat
> >>>>    No new election is held, and NARALO declares both Darlene 
> and Glenn as
> >>>>    co-Secretariats. While there is no precedent for this in 
> NARALO, there
> >>> is
> >>>>    elsewhere in ICANN At-Large (both co-Chair and co-Secretariats have
> >>> been
> >>>>    done in other regions). The two would alternate travel to ICANN
> >>> meetings
> >>>>    (though both would naturally be at the Summit in London). In the case
> >>> that
> >>>>    any of the North American At-Large leadership cannot attend a meeting
> >>>>    (Chair, travel-designated secretariat or ALAC member), the
> >>> "non-travelling"
> >>>>    secretariat member would automatically be designated to take that
> >>> travel
> >>>>    allocation. The rules may still be modified in case of future ties,
> >>>> but
> >>>>    such action is not required immediately.
> >>>>
> >>>> So I am proposing that, in advance of the next NARALO call, we could do
> >>> an
> >>>> informal poll of members (by Bigpulse or Doodle) to gain a sense of
> >>>> preferences between these options that may help guide a regional
> >>> consensus
> >>>> on the August call.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is this a workable plan? Are the options above a valid representation of
> >>>> the ones discussed? (There are some other tie-break methods I have
> >>>> eliminated because of lack of support to date).
> >>>>
> >>>> I admit that when I started thinking about the tie I had not given any
> >>>> thought to the shared secretariat idea, but it has grown on me since.
> >>> There
> >>>> is a significant amount of work to do, and it would be IMO a shame to
> >>> force
> >>>> an all-or-nothing tiebreak on two people with both popular 
> support and an
> >>>> eagerness to do the job.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Evan
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