[NA-Discuss] Reporting on Durban meeting

Evan Leibovitch evan at telly.org
Mon Jul 22 20:43:23 UTC 2013

Ick.  Gmail sent my mail without me pressing Send.

A few other points I wanted to make:

   - On gTLD program metrics, I was pleasantly surprised to know that the
   Board accepted BOTH the GNSO and ALAC metrics in toto and has instructed
   staff to act on all of them. Some of you may know that I had taken the GNSO
   working group on metrics to task for producing a set of metrics that was
   self-serving and too limited in scope to properly measure the effectiveness
   of the gTLD expansion program. As a result I helped create a set of
   additional metrics -- some of which were explicitly rejected by the GNSO --
   that better measured the end-user consequences of the expansion. Until last
   week it was unknown whether the Board would accept any of the supplemental
   ALAC-approved metrics. At its meeting Thursday the Board agreed to
   everything we asked for and gave the ALAC and GNSO metrics equal weight in
   its approval vote.

   - The meeting between the ALAC and ICANN
Board<http://durban47.icann.org/node/39673> was
   IMO* very* enlightening. There is an increasing level of comfort between
   the two groups in a frank exchange of ideas, and a better sense that we are
   at least factoring into Board decisions even when they don't go completely
   our way. Some may find interesting an exchange for the last 15 or so
   minutes of the meeting in which almost no ALAC people spoke, most of the
   dialogue was between Fadi and Board members.

   - The budget for the second At-Large Summit -- tentatively scheduled for
   the London meeting in just under a year from now -- is generally approved.
   Congrats to NARALO's own Eduardo Diaz and the ATLAS2 team for building a
   sound case for the event. Now the challenge is for us to make best use of
   that week to inform and empower ALSs. (I'm personally not a fan of using
   that time for "capacity building", IMO that's not ICANN's role ... though
   high-quality accessible information on ICANN issues most certainly is)

   - One issue that was of especially personal interest to me is how the
   term "rights and responsibilities", that has been in frequent use within
   ICANN of late (in part thanks to ALAC keeping the issue at hand) has been
   occasionally changed to "benefits and responsibilities" in the new ICANN
   contracts with contracted parties. I personally raised this at
thePublic Forum<http://durban47.icann.org/node/39853>(second question
asked in the " general community issues" segment of the
   PF. The response? After what seemeed about a minute or so of deliberation
   with ICANN Counsel and other staff, Fadi answered "we'll get back to you".
   I intend to follow up.

Many significant areas of interest to At-Large -- including the way Public
Interest Commitments and Internationalized Domain Names will be handled --
were not resolved at Durban and we continue to be involved in those issues.
ICANN is definitely feeling the aftermath of not having better categorized
the gTLD applications in order to escalate those of greatest public benefit.

So. I guess that's my report, Comments and questions welcomed.

- Evan

On 22 July 2013 16:08, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:

> I did give an impromptu update on the week Friday during an ISOC
> conference call (help every week for North American chapters). I was still
> in Durban at the time, and the call quality is spotty. But, thanks to Joly,
> the report was recorded and is available at http://isoc-ny.org/p2/5802
> My take is that the meeting was fairly positive, from the end-user PoV,
> for a couple of reasons:
>    - Fadi Chehade is breaking off the gTLD operations -- including the
>    new expansion program -- into a semi-independent division that will let the
>    rest of ICANN be less distracted by the expansion in dealing with issues
>    such as directory services, registrant privacy versus accountability, IPV6,
>    DNSSEC, and similar matters. Quite telling is the fact that contractual
>    compliance was not split off into the new division and will repoprt
>    directly to Fadi. This should make for less future obfuscation but I will
>    remain skeptical until proven otherwise.
>    - On dotless domains and internally-conflicted domains (ie, .corp,
>    .bar, .example), we scored what I would call a win. ALAC has been telling
>    ICANN to heed its own SSAC advice (which is against deletaing such domains)
>    but ICANN says the community is "split" and has ordered new business
>    studies. During the ALAC meeting with the GAC, we asked the GAC to consider
>    these issues seriously (it had not to that time been seen on the GAC's
>    "radar", so to speak. The GAC communique issued at the end of the Durban
>    meeting week was clear in supporting the community position backing the
>    SSAC recommendations.
>    -
> On 22 July 2013 13:50, Dharma Dailey <dharma.dailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Kieren,
>> I haven't forgotten your suggestion before the meeting for communicating
>> back to the NARALO about the meeting.  I heartily agree that for those of
>> us who can't regularly attend meetings, it's super helpful to get a birds
>> eye view analysis from our reps on the ground. IMO, that's low hanging
>> fruit on the engagement continuum. Before attending, I imagined that I
>> might send communications on the fly, but the way the schedule is
>> constructed doesn't lend itself to reflection and synthesis. For example,
>> on Sunday we were in meetings for 13 + hours straight.  So, I quickly
>> abandoned the idea of trying to report on the fly.  However, I did leave
>> with 31 pages of typed notes which I will wheedle down to one woman's guess
>> at what will be of most interest to you and the rest of NARALO.  One
>> consequence of the travel and conference schedule was that I came back with
>> a wicked cold. So, it may take me a few days to report back.
>> Best Regards,
>> Dharma Dailey
>> On Jul 22, 2013, at 12:15 PM, "Garth Bruen" <gbruen at knujon.com> wrote:
>> > Kieren,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the comment. Our elections are critical and getting them
>> right is
>> > even more important.
>> >
>> > As far as reporting goes I would like to draw your attention to this
>> > document: http://www.knujon.com/icann_compliance_2012.pdf which shows
>> that
>> > ICANN's internal compliance function is essentially non-functional
>> > regardless of recently published data by ICANN. This was a follow up to
>> a
>> > report sent directly to the CEO
>> > (
>> http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/bruen-to-chehade-22apr13-en.pdf
>> > ) which has not been responded to.
>> >
>> > ICANN is failing the public At-Large and won't discuss these core
>> concerns,
>> > has been completely silent on them. I think you can help by raising your
>> > voice to ask about them as well from within our community.
>> >
>> > There is a very long report log here:
>> >
>> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Durban+Meeting+Reports+
>> > Workspace which is being constantly updated by At-Large representatives,
>> > even remote ones. Working groups regularly give reports on our monthly
>> > calls. We'd love to have you come on and give your perspective, let me
>> know.
>> >
>> > So, it's not really a question of reporting from At-Large, it's more of
>> a
>> > question of why we have to leave our families and travel thousands of
>> miles
>> > just to be ignored by ICANN. It's really not that much fun. If the
>> problems
>> > could be solved and questions answered, we wouldn't have to go at all.
>> >
>> > -Garth
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> > [mailto:na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Kieren
>> > McCarthy
>> > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 11:09 PM
>> > To: na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] VOTE RESULTS: 2013 NARALO Secretary Selection
>> >
>> > I wish as much time, energy and effort had gone into informing us about
>> the
>> > meeting you were paid as our representatives to attend last week in
>> Durban
>> > as has been out into bickering about voting procedures.
>> >
>> >
>> > Kieren
>> >
>> >
>> > [from mobile device]
>> >
>> > On Jul 21, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Tom,
>> >>
>> >> I presume that by "incumbent" you mean people in office such as the
>> > members or ALAC Chair (usually it is used referring to the person who
>> is in
>> > office but is in a contested election).
>> >>
>> >> I guess our experiences are different. Certainly someone who is part
>> of a
>> > current organization is familiar with the others who may be in a
>> contested
>> > election. But KNOW is definitely not the same as TRUST and not
>> infrequently
>> > KNOW is synonymous with wanting someone new. (And I am not implying
>> anything
>> > about the people in the current election).
>> >>
>> >> Alan
>> >>
>> >> At 21/07/2013 02:34 PM, toml at communisphere.com wrote:
>> >>> Alan,
>> >>>
>> >>> What I am trying to say is that incumbents will better know and trust
>> a
>> > known player. Amopholy (sp?), might describe the human response that
>> Option
>> > 4 draws upon. There are both good and bad associated with this. Random
>> is
>> > life.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> T9m Lowenhaupt
>> >>
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