[NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures

Alan Greenberg alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Mon Aug 12 15:44:18 UTC 2013


RALOs were each formed according to their own 
Memorandum of Understanding, which differ to some 
extent. However, the MoU is not a very detailed 
document (with a few exceptions), so the RALOs 
were relatively free to have variances, and in some cases did.

This set of changes was not meant to address any 
of that. Just fix the things that are currently 
or in the recent past have bitten us. The number 
of changes illustrates that the rules DO need a 
cleanup since if that many things are 
problematic, what else is lurking there that has 
not bitten us recently. A few of those were 
identified during this discussion (such as 
language) and we are deferringthose less-pressing issues at this point.

Alan

At 12/08/2013 08:16 AM, Glenn McKnight wrote:
>Yes,  my point is that  if we make revise our 
>procedures  and are eventual  policies  we need 
>to be consistent with other  RALO's which were 
>formed by the same  set of motions by the iCANN 
>board and our  charter and other  RALO's are in 
>the spirit of the original motion.
>
>As all things  the  devil is in the details
>G
>
>Glenn McKnight
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>On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Garth Bruen 
><<mailto:gbruen at knujon.com>gbruen at knujon.com> wrote:
>Thanks Alan, Glenn did you have some specific concern?
>
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>Greenberg
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>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
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>They are in general not consistent with each other (although there are
>certainly common themes and in some cases common rules). One of the things
>we have discusssed is once the new ALAC rules are in place, we should begin
>a discussion on overall RALO rule revision and part of that discussion is
>looking at to what extent they should be the same or differ.
>
>Alan
>
>At 11/08/2013 07:14 PM, Glenn McKnight wrote:
> >Hi Alan
> >Are our NARALO Operating Policies consistent with the other  RALO's?
> >
> >Glenn
> >
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> >On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Houle Louis
> ><<mailto:Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org><mailto:Lou 
> is.Houle at isocquebec.org>Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org> wrote:
> >Thanks Alan,
> >
> >Some other concern that may remain is:
> >
> >Is the second vote public ? Should it be discussed and decided
> >tomorrow? Are the procedures clear (helpful) on that point?
> >
> >
> >Louis Houle
> >Président
> >La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
> ><mailto:Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org>Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org
> >
> >Le 2013-08-10 22:49, Alan Greenberg a écrit :
> >
> >That possible confusion is hopefully eliminated in the last revision.
> >
> >13. now clearly says that the Chair may cast a
> >second vote for ALAC member selections.
> >
> >19. Applies only to selection of the RALO Chair and Secretariat.
> >
> >Alan
> >
> >At 10/08/2013 07:57 PM, Houle Louis wrote:
> >Indeed!
> >
> >Louis Houle
> >Président
> >La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
> ><mailto:Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org><mailto:Loui 
> s.Houle at isocquebec.org>Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org
> >
> >Le 2013-08-09 13:54, Evan Leibovitch a écrit :
> >No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19.
> >
> >- Evan (via mobile)
> >On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene"
> ><<mailto:DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca><mailto:DThompson 
> 1 at gov.nu.ca>DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca> wrote:
> >
> >Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet.  My bad!
> >
> >D
> >
> >Darlene A. Thompson
> >CAP Administrator
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> ><mailto:dthompson at gov.nu.ca><mailto:dthompson at gov.nu.ca>dthompson at gov.nu.ca
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> >on behalf of Thompson,
> >Darlene 
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> >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM
> >To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss
> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
> >
> >Refresh my memory.  I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our
> >three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair.  Also,
> >under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position?  The
> >existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then.
> >
> >D
> >
> >Darlene A. Thompson
> >CAP Administrator
> >N-CAP/Department of Education
> >P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
> >Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
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> >on behalf of Alan Greenberg [
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> >Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM
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> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
> >
> >Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
> >
> >12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for
> >elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13
> >allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been
> >operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
> >
> >16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their
> >active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed
> >to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request
> >the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would
> >still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do
> >not need to be exceedingly detailed.
> >
> >Last call for additional issues?
> >
> >Alan
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