[NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: …

Kieren McCarthy kierenmccarthy at gmail.com
Fri Jul 20 22:50:19 UTC 2012

Thanks for this Olivier,

To be clear though, the aim of asking the questions was an effort to make
people think about what they were actually doing with regard to outreach.

The response was a rather aggressive one, as you have seen. And it still
didn't produce any answers. Which in itself rather answers the question:
not only is far too little being done but no one is building metrics around
it either, and no one currently feels that it is a matter of accountability.

I'm not sure that shooting the messenger is a very effective way of dealing
with this. But the answer is now in plain sight for anyone that may wish to
actually deal with it.

I thank you for the information all the same. To be honest, I have no use
for it, but I am hoping the NARALO does.


On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>wrote:

> Dear Kieren,
> as NARALO is currently going through elections and our staff is
> otherwise engaged and therefore has little bandwidth to devote to
> providing you with answers at the moment, let me oblige:
> On 19/07/2012 17:39, Kieren McCarthy wrote :
> > At the risk at getting embroiled in pointless name-calling, John I think
> > you are demonstrating precisely the mindset that is behind the reason
> that
> > only one person is standing for each of the four positions.
> >
> > So here are some questions:
> >
> > * How many NARALO members are there?
> How many people read dot-nxt? Impossible to know. Our ALSes do not
> provide an exact detail of how many members they have.
> > * How many ALSes in North America are there?
> 21 by my count. This is shown on: https://community.icann.org/x/kQCq
> which is publicly available.
> > * How many individuals are subscribed to this mailing list?
> 100 email addresses in total. Some people are subscribed more than once.
> Only staff and myself have access to this data so no need to blame
> NARALO for not knowing.
> > * What is the subscribe/unsubscribe rate of the list each month for the
> > past six months?
> There has been very little subscribe/unsubscribe traffic on the NARALO
> list so it is fair to say that the list has a steady membership.
> > * How many individuals engage on this mailing list?
> There is a link to the list archives at the bottom of my message and
> I'll let you do the statistics on this.
> > * Is there an NARALO Facebook page?
> > * Is there an NARALO Twitter presence?
> With no staff support for these things at NARALO level, this would be up
> to NARALO members to set-up.
> > * Is there a NARALO newsletter? How many are subscribed to it?
> > * Is there a NARALO summary of events for members for ICANN Prague?
> >
> > These are basic questions, basic steps for a grassroots organization. And
> > they all cost $0.
> They cost volunteer time. These are people who have a day job, families
> and more volunteer work to perform in the ALS that they are a member of
> -- because ALSes are organizations which perform work outside of ICANN
> and ICANN activities are only a small subset of what those organizations
> do.
> Do you wish to edit a NARALO newsletter? You would be welcome to do so!
> As for a NARALO summary of events for members for ICANN Prague, I have
> submitted a report with the great help from Staff which can be
> downloaded from:
> http://prague44.icann.org/meetings/prague2012/presentation-alac-chair-29jun12-en.pdf
> This provides a summary of our activities during the Prague meeting. Why
> duplicate work when our resources are already stretched?
> Kieren, this community does a heck of a lot more work than it is ever
> credited for.
> The problem is that if it takes time reporting on what it does, it
> hasn't got enough time to do the actual work. We have dozens of parallel
> threads going on, both on policy and on procedure. All of them are super
> important. But our staff and volunteer resources are stretched. The ALAC
> Web site is due for renewal/replacement -- that's in the works. A
> communications policy is being worked on with the ICANN comms dept. A
> technology taskforce is working on making better use of technology to
> ease the work on our members. An outreach WG is looking at outreach.
> Then we have capacity building and inreach. The list is endless, and
> none of us are polymaths, able to do everything. So we often do things
> which are not our job spec. and it takes time. None of us are public
> communications experts like you, so if you think you can do a better job
> and help this community in building the user input at ICANN, then please
> do so. If on the other hand you are just going to criticise
> destructively, then this community is wasting valuable time reading your
> messages instead of doing the work they need to do.
> I am sorry to be so blunt, but the tone of your emails is negative thus
> you won't make any friends here if you pursue this thread in such an
> unfair way. You are targeting hard working volunteers and that's not fair.
> Warmest regards,
> Olivier
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