[NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

That makes sense.


a.

On 6 Jun 2011, at 15:25, Danny Younger wrote:

> In announcing the final countdown to .eu, the European Commission used this language:
> 
> "Given a risk of confusion and even fraud, use of "pre-registration" services is not recommended by the Commission. In any case consumers and companies are encouraged to check exactly what is and what is not being offered."
> 
> I see no harm in recommending the issuance of a similarly-worded ICANN Advisory.
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 6/6/11, Avri Doria <avri at ella.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Avri Doria <avri at ella.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations
>> To: "NARALO Discussion List" <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 2:04 PM
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I guess I do not understand why they are harmful in and of
>> themselves.
>> 
>> Certainly if they are false advertising in any way, that is
>> an issue.  But if they are an investment method or come
>> with a money-back guarantee, I do not understand the public
>> harm as long as they are sold with an appropriate
>> description.
>> 
>> a.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 Jun 2011, at 13:10, Beau Brendler wrote:
>> 
>>> Eric B-W wrote:
>>> 
>>> "offers of "pre-registration" by non-parties to
>> registry
>>> application projects are contrary to the public
>> interest, and may harm the
>>> targeted registry application projects, for which they
>> have private redress."
>>> 
>>> After three years in ALAC, I don't recall this topic
>> coming up, or the ALAC making a statement on it.
>>> 
>>> I would support drafting a statement that
>> pre-registrations in this mode are contrary to public
>> interest -- though as chair I don't want to step forward and
>> do that without some discussion and consensus.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net
>>>> Sent: Jun 6, 2011 9:50 AM
>>>> To: dannyyounger at yahoo.com
>>>> Cc: na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations
>>>> 
>>>> Danny, 
>>>> 
>>>> I do not know if the ALAC offered advice to the
>> Board on the subject at
>>>> some prior point in time.
>>>> 
>>>> Similarly, I do not know if the ALAC has offered
>> advice to the FTC or any
>>>> other agency of a political jurisdiction on the
>> subject at some prior point
>>>> in time.
>>>> 
>>>> If so, then I suppose that the ALAC advice can be
>> checked for currency and
>>>> either updated and referenced, or if current,
>> simply referenced again.
>>>> 
>>>> Application projects like the 2004 Catalan
>> project, or the 2000 Cooperatives
>>>> project, should engage in communications to their
>> prospective communities,
>>>> as the default, the current situation, and still a
>> problem for cooperatives,
>>>> is that no practical alternative exists to
>> Verisign's for-profit "com" label.
>>>> 
>>>> How close pre-application communications offering
>> pre-service information,
>>>> and of necessity, to meet the ICANN direct fee and
>> additional costs which
>>>> are identified in the current DAG, also
>> solliciting participation, whether
>>>> unconditional, or in exchange for some current
>> value, or expectation, can
>>>> come to "pre-registration" of a hypothetical, I
>> can't speculate upon.
>>>> 
>>>> The United Domains campaign is clearly not an
>> instance of a single application
>>>> project, or a cooperating group such as ECLID
>> (Scotland, Wales, Brittany,
>>>> Galacia, and the Autonomous Basque Region)
>> communicating to their respective
>>>> communities.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not optimistic concerning ICANN's current CEO
>> instructing staff counsel
>>>> to make a determination that "pre-registration"
>> volates the current registrar
>>>> contract, but I think offers of "pre-registration"
>> by non-parties to registry
>>>> application projects are contrary to the public
>> interest, and may harm the
>>>> targeted registry application projects, for which
>> they have private redress.
>>>> 
>>>> Eric
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