[NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown

[Beau Brendler]

OK, let's put something on paper and vote on it.

I don't have time today to draft something, but could probably do so tomorrow morning, unless someone else wants to take a stab in the meantime.

Since I have not personally heard anything from ALAC members on this issue (except for Evan), I'm guessing we are intending to make a general NA statement that could be adapted by the at-large, and encourage the at-large to do so?

BB


-----Original Message-----
>From: Marc Rotenberg <rotenberg at epic.org>
>Sent: Jan 31, 2011 12:23 PM
>To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler at earthlink.net>
>Cc: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com>, Gareth Shearman <shearman at victoria.tc.ca>, NA Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown
>
>But it's not paternalistic is we generalize from this
>recent event and if we cite the mission of ALAC, 
>ICANN, and universal values . . .
>
>Marc.
>
>On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Beau Brendler wrote:
>
>> yes, that was my point -- not that cutting off access is a regional problem, but rather wanting NA to avoid looking unduly paternal
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Marc Rotenberg <rotenberg at epic.org>
>>> Sent: Jan 31, 2011 10:30 AM
>>> To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler at earthlink.net>
>>> Cc: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com>, Gareth Shearman <shearman at victoria.tc.ca>, NA Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Forward motion on the Egyptian Internet shutdown
>>> 
>>> I take Beau's point to be that it would be better if the statement
>>> emerged from the RALO closest to the immediate problem.
>>> But in some respects that could also lead to further politicization.
>>> And the relevance for NA-RALO is clear -- one of key cyber security
>>> proposals before the US Congress is the creation of an "Internet kill 
>>> switch."
>>> 
>>> This is why we should try to generalize: cutting off access to the
>>> Internet  is not simply a regional problem.
>>> 
>>> Marc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Beau Brendler wrote:
>>> 
>>>> OK, since this discussion took place on the NA list, help me with the next step, if there is one.
>>>> 
>>>> Is the consensus that NA should draft a short statement? I would urge against it. Though I personally believe something should be said, it is for ALAC to make the move, and leadership of AF-RALO should take the lead -- and whether that means creating a statement, or urging ICANN as an organization to do something should also be specified.
>>>> 
>>>> So the choices are:
>>>> 
>>>> a) Make a short NA statement.
>>>> b) Make no NA statement but vociferously tell the ALAC to make a statement and/or advise ICANN to do so.
>>>> c) What?
>>>> 
>>>> Beau
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com>
>>>>> Sent: Jan 31, 2011 12:36 AM
>>>>> To: Gareth Shearman <shearman at victoria.tc.ca>
>>>>> Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: The Internet Society on Egypt’s Internet shutdown
>>>>> 
>>>>> +1
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/31/2011 12:32 AM, Gareth Shearman wrote:
>>>>>> + 1
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gareth
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2011-01-30, at 8:45 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well then we disagree.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For the more we discuss it, the more convinced I become that ICANN should make a statement declaring, at the very least, this sort of behavior to be incompatible with the well being of the Internet and contrary to international covenants related to freedom of information.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If ICANN is going to have credibility in its role as a steward of the Internet, it must not let this pass uncommented.  If it does, then it will share responsibility for all future such action by virtue of its silence.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John, I thank you for helping me see the issue more clearly.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> a.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 30 Jan 2011, at 23:30, John R. Levine wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But certainly I think ICANN can describe what sorts of behavior is and is not appropriate and certainly I think that allocation policy can look at taking such behaviors into account.
>>>>>>>> I am unalterably opposed to any proposal in which ICANN would purport to tell any government what to do.  That just makes us look silly.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It's not like the Egyptian government is unaware of what they've done, after all.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> John Levine, johnl at iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
>>>>>>>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
>>>>>>>> 
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