[lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Transcripción ALAC Subcommittee on Outreach and Engagement Call

Harold Arcos harold.arcos at gmail.com
Wed Mar 25 19:08:00 UTC 2020


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13:20:41  our strategic plan and 
13:20:42 
    RALO.  How can we work with 
13:20:45 GSA and how can we actually reach 
    out
13:20:47  to the young people and get
13:20:49  them more involved with what 
    we are doing.  Because
13:20:52  it's a lost opportunity.  Because 
    Jonathan
13:20:54  said in the chat,
13:20:56  it's an ideological thing.  But 
    I've
13:20:58  talked to   people, like 
13:21:01 Mathias and Lorain and stuff.  
    They come
13:21:03  from the same pool.
13:21:06   They didn't adhere to a
13:21:08  
    certain fill sympathy.  We provide
13:21:11  a much more balanced,
13:21:13  more 
      metered response to things.
13:21:16   We are not knee jerk
13:21:18 .  We 
    don't see see
13:21:20  the business communities as
13:21:23  -- especially 
    Olivier that did
13:21:25  a suburb job
13:21:27  with the
13:21:29  joint efforts we do 
    with
13:21:31  NCUC and POC as well,
13:21:33  and I think we show we are leaders
13:21:36 
    leaders.
     I think the message
13:21:38  didn't resinate with NextGen
13:21:41  because we 
    did a lecture
13:21:44  then disappeared w we need a
13:21:46  conscious effort 
    to make
13:21:48  sure the NextGen
13:21:51  come in and we are relevant to them
13:21:53 .  
    That's my piece,
13:21:55  thank you
13:22:00 .
     
13:22:04 5Google Sprint I'd like to open up the floor for
13:22:06  
    discussions.  Olivier please.
13:22:08   You have the floor
13:22:12 .
     >> OLIVIER CREPIN-LEBLOND:  Thank you very much Daniel.  And
13:22:15  
    thanks to Glen for
13:22:17  having highlighted a lot of the things
13:22:19  I 
    wanted to point out
13:22:21 .
     Have also attended a lot of the
13:22:23  NCUC --
13:22:25  of course the joint 
    At-Large and
13:22:29  MCUC capacity building sessions
13:22:31  but also I guess 
    in other
13:22:33  responsibilities both of to the
13:22:36  Internet society and 
    other organizations
13:22:38  like IGFs and so on
13:22:40 .  Worked a lot
13:22:42  with 
    academics and many railroad
13:22:44  NCUC members and
13:22:46  not members 
    At-Large.  It's a question that
13:22:48  has been if you go e bugging 
    me for a while.  I
13:22:50  said why did you go for 
13:22:53 NCUC?  It's true 
    in many of
13:22:55  the cases it's case of birds
13:22:57  of a feather flock 
    together.
13:23:00   I know this call is
13:23:02  interpreted so it's hard
13:23:04  to 
    translate this effectively
13:23:07 .
     It means there are quite a
13:23:09  few actics already
13:23:11  in NCUC and it
13:23:13  
    brings the interest of more academics
13:23:15  in there they are able 
    to network and talk
13:23:17  to each other.  There's a
13:23:20  whole academic 
    community in there.  This is
13:23:22  something we may want to rook 
    into as
13:23:24  we have more academics then
13:23:26  may be we can offer them 
    this ability to network
13:23:29  and talk to each other
13:23:31  and perhaps 
    even work
13:23:33  on common issues and certain efforts
13:23:36  we might 
    propose
13:23:38  then they might want to publish on
13:23:40 .
     Academia is mostly about teaching but
13:23:42  also the research 
    requires
13:23:44  publication and publishing.  And
13:23:46  can you know sort 
    of outlook
13:23:48  outside of
13:23:50  the usual circles.
     The
13:23:52  second thing I did find
13:23:54  also, often we are as much as we
13:23:56  
    want to be, we want to be
13:23:58  very welcoming
13:24:00  to everyone.  But we 
    are not that
13:24:02  well structure for this.  So
13:24:04  to give you an 
    idea, at the end
13:24:07  of our joint capacity
13:24:09  building session,
13:24:11  NCUC 
    does a very
13:24:13  quick recap of what they
13:24:16  said and says, if you 
    are interested
13:24:18  in this topic, are here is the person
13:24:20  you need 
    to talk to.  That person
13:24:23  is our topic
13:24:25  lead and another person 
    is another
13:24:27  topic lead.  And these topic
13:24:29  leads actively go out 
    speaking
13:24:32  to the people that they have seen talk
13:24:33  about 
    specific topics.  So they
13:24:36  basically admittedly
13:24:38  many academics 
    don't come into At-Large
13:24:41  or ICANN is can   say I want to do 
    everything
13:24:43 .  I'm interested in everything
13:24:45 .
     Many go into specific thing
13:24:47  that they are interested in.  
    And at 
13:24:49 MCUC they have a specific topic
13:24:52  lead that immediately 
    brings
13:24:54  him in and says
13:24:56  you don't want to work on other stuff
13:24:58  
    but I can certainly hold your hand and   take you
13:25:02  there.  I 
    don't think its mentorship,
13:25:04  I think mentorship goes further
13:25:06  
    than this.  It's something
13:25:08  to welcome you and show you
13:25:11  the 
    represents very quickly and you get thing
13:25:13  started
13:25:17 .
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Thank you very much Olivier.  And we 
    have an action
13:25:19  point I think from that presentation.  By
13:25:22  
    Joanna offered
13:25:25  to coordinate the academic outreach and
13:25:28  for 
    the academic engagement
13:25:30  as all.  That's an action
13:25:32  point we 
    have from this point.  Let
13:25:34  me simply continue this
13:25:36  
    discussion.  Let me hear from
13:25:39  Jonathan then we should get 
    back
13:25:42  to Joanna
13:25:44 .
     Yes Jonathan
13:25:48 .
     >> JONATHAN ZUCK:  Hi, I guess I agree with Olivier that
13:25:52  
    identifying specific people to talk would be
13:25:54  useful.  I'd
13:25:56  be 
    very interested in academics
13:25:59  like Joanna to see
13:26:01  why they made 
    the choice
13:26:03  to go on with ICANN At-Large
13:26:05  instead of 
13:26:07 UCMC.  My 
    overly glib about this
13:26:09 , but the rights driven
13:26:12  sort of 
    ideological approach
13:26:14  of NCUC is
13:26:16  very attractive to the
13:26:18  
    academic community.  And that a lot of what we
13:26:21  do is muddy
13:26:23 , 
    trying to figure out what
13:26:25  the interests of end
13:26:27  users really 
    are.  It doesn't
13:26:29  have the same
13:26:31  clarity associated with it
13:26:33  
    protecting the right to privacy
13:26:36  or preacting the right
13:26:38  to 
    free speech offer to you
13:26:40  know people threshly out of school
13:26:43 .
     So, I'd
13:26:45  be interested in
13:26:47  the
13:26:50  academic academics that
13:26:52  chose 
    not to go
13:26:54  MCUC.  Because my impression
13:26:57  of lot of academickics 
    that
13:26:59  come out of the school with
13:27:01  a broadly theoretical way of
13:27:03  
    the world rather than practical
13:27:06  one and NCUC is set
13:27:08  up 
    ideologically to be a match
13:27:10  for that
13:27:13 .
     Be
13:27:16 .
     >> ANNA:  Thank you very much Jonathan for that
13:27:18 .  Since 
    Joanna already
13:27:20  has her hand up she should be
13:27:22  the best person 
    to answer that.  And, also,
13:27:24  Monday the together the chat, I 
    have
13:27:26  at least the
13:27:28  points that
13:27:30  NCUC much more 
13:27:32 powerful in the 
    policy making
13:27:34  process and we are downgrade
13:27:37 ed as advisers I
13:27:39  
    know this was mid land I know how that was
13:27:42 .  And they were I
13:27:44  
    sack is engaged Olivia.
13:27:46   And then this is going to be able to 
    engage
13:27:49 .
     Then we also need people
13:27:51  in that
13:27:53  the suggestions.
     Another point is
13:27:56  that the individuals are still sent
13:27:58  from 
    the outside as listen
13:28:00  point and competent
13:28:02 .  So individuals 
    believe that
13:28:04  in the NCUC they can count
13:28:06  more.  I see all of
13:28:09  
    this just plans to justify
13:28:11  how we can effectively engage
13:28:13  with 
    the academia.
13:28:16   This point, let me first
13:28:18  give the floor to 
    Joanna
13:28:21 .  Then she should be able to continue.
13:28:23   Yes an you a 
    please, you have the
13:28:26  floor.
     >> 
13:28:29 KULESZA:  Thank you Daniel I like
13:28:31  this discussion and 
    thank you for hosting it and
13:28:33  can everyone participating and
13:28:36  
    the chat box and the floor.  Let
13:28:38  me just share a personal 
    point of view.
13:28:40   Let me emphasize,
13:28:42  I would very much like to 
    have this discussion
13:28:44  not as a confrontation
13:28:47 .  I would very 
    much like us
13:28:49  not to compete with the NCC as
13:28:51  much as I see 
    this happening with
13:28:53  chat.  I would rather emphasize
13:28:56  the 
    unique qualities that
13:28:58  the At-Large offers that
13:29:00  is something 
    that Jonathan
13:29:02  has mentioned.
13:29:04   It's a comprehensive
13:29:06  
    perspective with NC
13:29:08  UC framed.  I would rather
13:29:11  emphasize the 
    unique
13:29:13  qualities that At-Large had
13:29:15  to you offer.
13:29:17   mentorship
13:29:19  
    and experienced qualities and
13:29:21  I found tremendously.
13:29:24   It's not 
    a dramatic
13:29:26  exercise it's on the ground policy
13:29:28  making exercise
13:29:30  
    that actics can be contributing
13:29:32  to.  And this is where it's 
    done and
13:29:34  ICANN does it and
13:29:36  At-Large offers a more 
    comprehensive
13:29:39  perspective.
     In that sense I would
13:29:41  like the narrative on academic 
    engagement
13:29:44  to focus on the unique qualities
13:29:47  we have rather 
    than
13:29:49  keep keep it as a comparison
13:29:50  or competitive exercise 
    with
13:29:53  other communities.
     I like to think
13:29:55  about this exercise
13:29:58  as one step or one foot
13:30:00  
    before the others.  Alley
13:30:02  here mentioned
13:30:05  it's an excursion of 
    birds
13:30:07  of a feather flocking together
13:30:10 .  Let's have a series of 
    events
13:30:12 , series of
13:30:14  examples how to get younger
13:30:17  academics 
    involved.  Those that want to think
13:30:19  in a pragmatic way
13:30:21  those 
    that want to use this opportunity to test their
13:30:23  research on 
    the ground, on the policy
13:30:25  making ground that we have
13:30:27  to 
    offer.  None of those activities
13:30:29  I was trying to describe
13:30:31  
    attend to that chance.  So we are trying
13:30:33  to get them informed 
    how this works
13:30:35 .  And show them
13:30:37  where their expertise could be 
    used
13:30:39 .
     For me personally it's not so much
13:30:42  about the competition but 
    rather
13:30:44  it is an exercise in building
13:30:47  bridges and breaking the 
    silos
13:30:49 .  I think we have also Adam on
13:30:51  the floor here what has 
    been tremendously
13:30:54  helpful.  In coordinating
13:30:56  the work with the
13:30:58  
    GSC group.  I've actually
13:31:01  been in touch with the local 
13:31:03 GSC 
    representative here in Poland
13:31:05 .  They were planning events,
13:31:08  we 
    were planning
13:31:10  seminars.  And so
13:31:12  I would encourage us to plan
13:31:14  
    our activities to be
13:31:15  more visible rather than have this
13:31:19  
    comparative exercise.  That's something I wanted
13:31:22  to note with 
    regard to the discussion we are
13:31:24  having.
     Step-by-step
13:31:27  so to speak
13:31:29  and changeable that we can work on
13:31:32  
    before the --
13:31:35 
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Net me read a comment with
13:31:37  the role of 
    At-Large you have
13:31:39  to get from a whole lot of groups
13:31:42  and a 
    whole lot of capacity as well
13:31:44 .  She totally supports
13:31:46  this 
    initiative she looks at
13:31:48  building for all groups and academia 
    is
13:31:50  one of the groups which I think
13:31:52  is absolutely correct.  
    Let me
13:31:54  get to EURO and then jump
13:31:56  to the next presentation
13:32:00  
    about At-Large videos
13:32:02 .  Please
13:32:08  adealing 
13:32:12 Yrjolansipuro
13:32:15 .
     >> Thank you, I think At-Large should be an
13:32:17  attractive 
    organization for
13:32:19  ICANN those
13:32:21  academia that are interested in 
    researching
13:32:23  the users experience.  The
13:32:26  user interests.  How
13:32:28  
    the whole thing looks from the user
13:32:30  point of view.  That 
    would be very
13:32:32  -- that would be really beneficial
13:32:34  for us also.  
    The that is
13:32:37  to say, toen
13:32:40  courage research that would
13:32:42  tell us 
    there's more
13:32:44  about user interested
13:32:49  on a research
13:32:53  pace or 
    scientific pace
13:32:56 .
13:32:58 
     I think that not all
13:33:01  accommodations are not always 
    interested
13:33:03  in what is called here in the
13:33:05  discussion 
    ideological things.
13:33:08   I think that there are probably
13:33:10  are also 
    people that are interested
13:33:12  in research
13:33:15  questions that touch 
    the practical thing
13:33:17 .  And we should
13:33:19  try to attract them.
13:33:22   
    Thank you
13:33:24 .
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Thank you very much Y
13:33:29 rjo it's all about 
    how we are able
13:33:31  to engage.
     Let me give Adam
13:33:33  the floor then I'll request Natalia
13:33:35  she be 
    able to speak when it comes
13:33:38  to session of social media, 
    working
13:33:41  with representatives.  Let me hear
13:33:43  from Adam then 
    Michelle
13:33:46  Jonathan.
     Adam you have
13:33:49  the
13:33:52 .
     >> 
13:33:56 ADAMPEAKE:  Just to follow up
13:33:58  on some
13:34:00  academic ideas.  I 
    mention Heidi in the
13:34:02  chat but I look at
13:34:05  for example the 
13:34:07 URLO 
    individual members there's a
13:34:10  lot of young academics
13:34:12  there 
    people I recognize from NextGen
13:34:16  and from some of the
13:34:18  European 
13:34:20 
    IGF activities.  Euro
13:34:23  dig C dig et cetera.
13:34:25   So you have 
    actually you are a good
13:34:27 , good group of young
13:34:29  ACs.  Who
13:34:31  Ph.D. 
    or
13:34:33  post dock that you might begin to look at
13:34:36 .  If I can help 
    in
13:34:38  any way, please let me
13:34:40  know.
     I wanted to --
13:34:42  maybe the same for all of the
13:34:44  RALOs.  I'm not 
    sure
13:34:46 .  I open looked at
13:34:48  RALO yesterday
13:34:50  for other reasons.
     To quickly go
13:34:53  on, gee an amentioned 
13:34:55 GSA Europe is supporting 
    some lectures
13:34:57  at her university
13:35:00 .  [
13:35:02 GSEE] if you are
13:35:04  in Europe 
    contact me.  If you want contact
13:35:06  with your regional G
13:35:10 SE maybe 
    members topic lead to talk about lectures
13:35:13  that can be 
    delivered online now with individuals
13:35:15  or let me know, of 
    course
13:35:17  you have contacts anyway.  Don't shy
13:35:19  away from asking 
    for the online lectures
13:35:21 .  This something that GSE
13:35:23  is thinking 
    about.  How can
13:35:25  we serve you while we are in this
13:35:27  sort of 
    virtual environment
13:35:31 .  And you
13:35:33  know.  Give us
13:35:35  your ideas.  On 
    the agenda.  I think
13:35:37  what is slipping ahead I wanted
13:35:40  to just 
    say a little
13:35:42  bit about out reaches where you might
13:35:44  think 
    about this, the time we have online
13:35:47 .
     Please do think about web
13:35:50  Mars we can add to your Webinar 
    schedule
13:35:52 .  Think about
13:35:54  what the for mark might be
13:35:56 , a Webinar 
    that is
13:35:58  an informational session followed
13:36:00  by a follow up 
    Webinar that is a
13:36:03  discussion where you're putting your sort 
    of
13:36:05  response, considered response rather
13:36:07  than Q&A back to the
13:36:10  
    representers and the others we have a topic
13:36:12  might be, this is 
    just a suggestion
13:36:15 , would be Internet of things from 
13:36:17 DNS which 
    is a paper that
13:36:19  the SSAC
13:36:22  did produce and was going to be
13:36:24  a 
    high at the Cancun meeting and
13:36:26  was not put on the virtual 
    agenda
13:36:28 .  The intention of that paper was
13:36:30  to begin a 
    discussion
13:36:32  about those topics.  They want
13:36:35  community input on 
    that.  That
13:36:37  would be abinteresting way
13:36:40  to have an 
    introduction from say the
13:36:42  office of the CPEs team
13:36:44  and the S 
    sack
13:36:46  team had then take that discussion
13:36:49  where you have a 
    consideration of it and come back with
13:36:51  a later Webinar where
13:36:53  
    you're discussing your points of view.  That might be
13:36:54  an 
    approach that could be taken
13:36:57  for other things.  I'm just 
    trying
13:36:59  to throw out ideas that may or may not be helpful
13:37:02 .  I 
    hope a little helpful
13:37:05 .
     Then Joanna mentioned a slide deck
13:37:08  you're preparing again, 
    GSE does a
13:37:10  lot of presentations so
13:37:12  we may get some ideas on 
    what
13:37:15  works or different work from
13:37:17  my office space too.  May 
    not
13:37:19  be helpful from you and
13:37:21  maximum.
     I hope
13:37:23  everyone is safe and well.
13:37:26   Cheers
13:37:28 .
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Thank you very much Adam for that.
13:37:30   
    Let's proceed to the presentation
13:37:32  with John that will 
    regarding
13:37:35  the videos.  Jonathan
13:37:37  you have the floor then 
    Natalia
13:37:42 .
     >> JONATHAN ZUCK:  Thanks.  It's interesting,
13:37:44  I'm a big fan 
    of video as
13:37:46  a method of communication
13:37:48 .  Being a film
13:37:50  maker 
    and, also,
13:37:53  just because people are 
13:37:55 inherently visual.  And
13:37:57  I 
    think that they can
13:38:01  be very compelling to try
13:38:03  to get a point 
    across
13:38:05  or help people learn things
13:38:07 .
     It occurs to me now
13:38:10 , one video we may
13:38:12  need is just about
13:38:14  
    what the At-Large is, just
13:38:16  so that, because of
13:38:19  how we 
    describe ourselves has
13:38:21  to be done in a consistent
13:38:23  and 
    powerful way, I think
13:38:25 .
     What I wanted to talk about a little
13:38:28  bit was the result of 
    the
13:38:31  experience that we had with ICANN
13:38:35  67.  And I through 
    together
13:38:37  a very quick video
13:38:40  for the DNS abuse
13:38:43  101 At-Large 
    call to action
13:38:46  session.  And all of
13:38:48  that really was,
13:38:50  was a 
    PowerPoint that
13:38:52  I recorded as a
13:38:54  video to make it
13:38:56  easier to 
    produce
13:38:58  multiple languages that people get
13:39:00  off You Tube or 
    elsewhere
13:39:03  that had slow connections
13:39:05  and slow bandwidth and
13:39:07  
    are not normally on the Zoom
13:39:09  room when they participate on 
    calls but
13:39:11  are only on the phones
13:39:14 .
     So that was my
13:39:16  intention at the time, to really just
13:39:18  provide 
    a way for
13:39:20  people to view
13:39:22  the presentation even
13:39:24  if they were 
    not on the
13:39:27  vroom 
13:39:30 room.
     But as
13:39:33  tiepin stubbly does it leads
13:39:35  to requests about videos 
    and as we talked a
13:39:37  little about educating
13:39:39  the end user as 
    part
13:39:42  of the presentation, there was
13:39:44  a lot of interest in us
13:39:46  
    creating the videos
13:39:48  and so as I started thinking about
13:39:50  that, 
    it started to create some
13:39:52  foundational questions that
13:39:55  I 
    wanted to put in front of other people
13:39:58  to discuss.
     Because I don't necessarily
13:40:00  know the answers.  So
13:40:02  I wanted 
    to have
13:40:05  us discuss them.
     One of the
13:40:07  things that marketing
13:40:10  101 we learned along time 
    ago
13:40:12 .  But it's often when
13:40:14  designing a proposal
13:40:16 , PowerPoint,
13:40:18  
    et cetera is a different formula,
13:40:21  the audience with
13:40:23  purpose 
    equals design.  If you have a good
13:40:25  sense of who you're trying 
    to speak
13:40:27  to and what you want from them, that will be a 
 
13:40:29    powerful guide to the way you
13:40:31  actually create a presentation 
    or
13:40:34  video.  And
13:40:36  the video I created for
13:40:38  DNS abuse session
13:40:40  was 
    specifically targeted at people
13:40:42  that were already part of 
    At-Large
13:40:44  to get them kind of spun up and
13:40:47  excited about DNS 
    abuse
13:40:50  being
13:40:52  an important and 
13:40:55 motivating top for the At-Large
13:40:57  
    in the
13:40:59  coming year.
     Next slide ised
13:41:02 .
     One of the things I did
13:41:05  for this presentation to you all,
13:41:07  
    was to think a little before it about what some
13:41:09  of our 
    audience
13:41:11 s are and what in
13:41:15  some of our purposes are.  They
13:41:17  might 
    help to think about, what
13:41:20  kind of content the
13:41:22  At-Large would 
    want to create
13:41:24  and for whom.  And we shouldn't make
13:41:26  the 
    mistake that
13:41:28  everything we create is for all 
13:41:31 audiences.  Or 
    they will end
13:41:33  up not being particular good
13:41:35  for any of them.
13:41:37   
    It's just some things I thought
13:41:40  of, 
13:41:42 purposes education, 
    broadly
13:41:44  recruitment.  Training of people that
13:41:46  already been 
    recruited, inspiration
13:41:49  for people potentially
13:41:54  to come to 
    action.  And
13:41:56  then finally advocacy.
13:41:58   And then I saw
13:42:00  a few 
    audiences that
13:42:02  we might be trying to reach out
13:42:05  to with our 
    content.  One is
13:42:07  the ICANN community
13:42:09  itself, the broader 
    ICANN community.
13:42:11   It can either be about the
13:42:13  role of At-Large 
    or just an issue
13:42:15  that we want to get more people in
13:42:17  the ICANN 
    community
13:42:19  thinking in the way
13:42:22  that we are.
     
13:42:24 For example, we could produce
13:42:26  a video about our perspective
13:42:29  
    on the EDPD process
13:42:31  or GDPR
13:42:34  compliance and the impact on end 
    users.
13:42:36   We could be talking about
13:42:38  a video about
13:42:42  the PIR 
    acquisition
13:42:44  to the extent
13:42:47  to which we are concerned about the 
    impact on users
13:42:49 .
     Things like that, where we can
13:42:52  make it available for a tool 
    in the ICANN
13:42:54  community to understand what it is that we are
13:42:56  
    trying to get across and get some
13:42:59  other constituencies on
13:43:01  
    board.
     Then there's the At-Large
13:43:04  community itself as it exists
13:43:06  
    today and educational
13:43:09  component if we want to teach people
13:43:11  
    about an issue, or especially
13:43:13  the people that are not always 
    in
13:43:15  the room with us.  The people
13:43:17  that you remember,
13:43:20  RALOS and
13:43:22  
    AOSs it can be content and
13:43:24  material created for them.
13:43:27   Geek 
    theogy names video
13:43:30  I did sort of falls into
13:43:32  that category.  
    There can be
13:43:34  training and this is some of the stuff Joanna
13:43:36  
    already talked about.  How
13:43:38  to do policy development when 
    you're in
13:43:40  the At-Large.  How to do outreach.
13:43:43   All of those 
    things can also
13:43:45  be done as videos.  And the idea
13:43:47  of 
    inspiringation.  The idea
13:43:50  behind the DNS abuse
13:43:52  session that I 
    did.  It really was
13:43:54  aimed at those that already know what
13:43:56  the 
    At-Large is, to say
13:43:58  let's get together and make sure that
13:44:01  we 
    are all feeling about about taking
13:44:03  on DNS abuse
13:44:06 .    all know 
    the talking points going
13:44:08  forward.
     Then the motion of
13:44:11  potential At-Largeers.  Which are the 
    people
13:44:12  that are out there,
13:44:15  whether it's academics or other 
    students
13:44:17  or members of ALSes et cetera
13:44:19 , that we think are 
    good audience
13:44:21  for people that
13:44:23  could become active numbers in 
    the
13:44:26  At-Large.  They could use just about any
13:44:28  of these types 
    of videos.  So,
13:44:31  aiming things at them
13:44:33  where we they know 
    where At-Large and ICANN is
13:44:35 , and they are trying to decide, 
    trying
13:44:38  to get them involved or try
13:44:40  to help them understand 
    what is being involved
13:44:43  in being involved.
     Et cetera
13:44:45 .  That's a particular
13:44:47  audience.
     Then finally,
13:44:49  ironically probably the
13:44:52  audience we have dealt
13:44:53  
    with the least are end
13:44:56  users themselves.
     One of the
13:44:59  thing she suggested during the 
13:45:01 DNS abuse session 
    and
13:45:03  ICANN 67 is we would be attempted
13:45:05  to do some education of 
    end users
13:45:07 .  And kind of avail ourselves
13:45:10  of the enormous 
    network
13:45:12  that we have built
13:45:15  to push information out to end 
    users
13:45:17  about said use and
13:45:19  how social engineering
13:45:23  works, how 
    the spot a
13:45:25  fishing email and things like
13:45:27  that.  Things that 
    would be square
13:45:31 ly at the ICANN
13:45:33  or ICANN development or 
    At-Large
13:45:35  or simply end users who
13:45:37  we are attempting
13:45:42  of whose 
    interest we are trying to represent
13:45:45 .  That's a potential 
    audience
13:45:47  for content creation as well
13:45:49 .  Any questions about 
    this
13:45:51 ?
13:45:53 
     Did you want to say something
13:45:55 ?
13:45:59 
     >> Jonathan I can see your position is
13:46:01  really great.  And
13:46:04  if 
    we come
13:46:06  to join, looks like we
13:46:09  got key inputs that you can 
    see.  Much
13:46:11  in videos
13:46:13  you have created could they be added to 
    the
13:46:17  You Tube channel and At-Large.
13:46:19   I think that also the 
    social 
13:46:21 media working group also has the test
13:46:24  to keep on 
    sharing those videos.
13:46:26   In their respective
13:46:28  areas.  And if 
    they can monitor traction
13:46:30 .  I'm not sure, I don't know
13:46:33  can 
    some analytics
13:46:35  be put behind the perspective
13:46:37  videos?  In
13:46:40  that 
    we will be able to know
13:46:41  the distribution of accessibility
13:46:45  of 
    those videos.  I think
13:46:46  that helps [Dan
13:46:49  yell] and I think also 
    what
13:46:51  comes to mind is if the
13:46:53  possible we could have to  
13:46:55  
    coordinate together with 
13:46:58 CPWG in having that list T social
13:47:00  
    media weekly teams.
13:47:02   For instance we can probably
13:47:04  have the 
    last week focusing
13:47:07  on ADP D or 
13:47:09 DNS views.  And once the 
    videos
13:47:12  are shared a list can act as
13:47:14  a formal capacity 
    building
13:47:16 .  And, also, to enable
13:47:18  the members understand 
    exactly what
13:47:20  is transparent in reference
13:47:23  of the the 
    respective policies
13:47:25  that are being discussed
13:47:29 .
     Within At-Large and, also, ICANN At-Large
13:47:31 .
     With that, I don't know that there's something
13:47:33  to add on, 
    but
13:47:35  Natalia also has her hands
13:47:37  up.  Natalia what would you 
    like
13:47:40  to say?
     >> Natalia
13:47:43 :  Thank you very much Daniel.
13:47:45   Natalia speaking.  
    I'd like
13:47:48  to share my point of view
13:47:50  on this truth on
13:47:53  of this.  
    First of all,
13:47:55  I'd like the say we are used to seeing
13:47:57  our 
    outreach and engagement
13:47:59  work is work outside work
13:48:01 .
     But I think in this
13:48:04 , very hard
13:48:06  situation,
13:48:08  it all changed
13:48:10  our 
    lecture.
     And I think
13:48:13  that we should now
13:48:15  pay our attention not just
13:48:17  on 
    the -- in
13:48:20  there but the possibilities of working who
13:48:22  is an
13:48:25  
    certainly EDNs.  Because all they said yesterday
13:48:27  or two days 
    ago or a week,
13:48:29  we all have thousands.
13:48:31   We are starting to use
13:48:33  
    our current members.
13:48:35   With this lack of face-to-face
13:48:39  evens 
    physical opportunity to see each
13:48:41  other and do something 
    together,
13:48:43  I mean even.
     So,
13:48:47  therefore in addition to focus
13:48:49 ing on where we talk 
    communications
13:48:51  and out to reach events, are
13:48:53  now we should
13:48:55  
    think about working
13:48:59  to involve one current members.  And
13:49:01  IOS 
    members
13:49:03 .  I mean
13:49:05  additional people in our policy work or
13:49:07  walk 
    and J element.  So this
13:49:10  perspective,
13:49:12  does the first place our 
    capacity
13:49:15  building work first.  And
13:49:18  way important
13:49:20  to think 
    about of
13:49:22  our internal communications too
13:49:25 .
     So, of course
13:49:28  if I may start now
13:49:30  to say about our
13:49:32  social 
    media.
13:49:35   What -- I think of course
13:49:37  we need to think of the
13:49:39  
    books now and we need
13:49:41  to create
13:49:43  I think I don't know.
13:49:46   Maybe 
    new very useful tools
13:49:48 .
     From our
13:49:50  audience.  Our prime end
13:49:53  users.
     So we need
13:49:55  to create and post more videos
13:49:58 .  Because our 
    leaders
13:50:00 , leaders of At-Large
13:50:03  are really
13:50:06  I don't know to say 
    it, really inspiration
13:50:09  of people we need
13:50:12  not to entertain our 
    audience
13:50:14 .  But we need
13:50:25  to give more annual updates
13:50:25  and 
    explanation of our work, our
13:50:25  role in ICANN our processes
13:50:26 , why 
    easier
13:50:26  way and interesting language for people
13:50:27 .
     Because not so much
13:50:30  technical people
13:50:32 , I think our
13:50:36  we can 
    awful join in guys
13:50:39 .
     So about
13:50:42  our previous talk I can.  ACs
13:50:44  and young people that 
    can join us
13:50:47 .
     Academics.
     Now I
13:50:49  see our great  
13:50:51  potential in direction with
13:50:54  for 
    example like in
13:50:58  you'ral IGF
13:51:00  movement.  Sooming it is not 
    about
13:51:03  [indiscernible] because
13:51:06  this movement share
13:51:10  their 
    activities.  And we can
13:51:13  see or
13:51:15  sync into about our
13:51:17  joint 
    force this this work.  Which
13:51:20  to you and educational
13:51:23  
    institutions.
     And in such
13:51:26  UNs that join
13:51:28  offers for
13:51:30  this
13:51:32  outing if we meet 
    each
13:51:35  other in Poland
13:51:37 .
     And, as my colleagues
13:51:39  said, academia
13:51:42  is we are a special 
    audience
13:51:44  researchers too.  And I think we need
13:51:47  to show them 
    very
13:51:49  especially benefits to join us we
13:51:52  need have
13:51:54  mutual 
    interests.  And I think
13:51:57  it's just only if
13:52:01  good and nice way
13:52:03  to 
    involve more people from this audience
13:52:06  too.
     Thank you very much
13:52:10 .
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Thank you very much
13:52:13  Natalia for that.  
    At this point I'd
13:52:16  like to call upon a volunteer
13:52:18  that would be 
    able to walk
13:52:20  with Jonathan Zack on developing
13:52:23  the different 
    perspective policy
13:52:25  related videos.
13:52:28   Where also act as 
    cognition
13:52:30  point together with the social media
13:52:32  working group 
    leads
13:52:36 .
     To share this respective
13:52:38  videos about the given period of 
    time
13:52:40 .  Can we have any volunteers
13:52:43  from the clock
13:52:45 ?
13:52:47 
     >> JONATHAN ZUCK:  I think particular of what we are talking 
    about
13:52:49  doing is maybe creating some kind of
13:52:52  a subcommittee 
    that
13:52:54  works on identifying what videos it is
13:52:56  that we would 
    might actually want
13:52:58  to create.  And then
13:53:01  design them and 
    assign a
13:53:04  -- the equivalent of a pen holder
13:53:07  for the creation 
    of that video
13:53:10 .
     I don't have a list of videos I'm
13:53:12  trying to create 
13:53:14 
    necessarily.  That's part of what I wanted to discuss
13:53:17 .  How 
    we go about deciding
13:53:19  what content we want to create
13:53:21 .  Because 
    a
13:53:23  perfect example
13:53:25  of this is on the issue
13:53:27  of DNS abuse.  As
13:53:29  I 
    started to do
13:53:32  research it became
13:53:33  clear that the DNS
13:53:35  abuse is 
    not even terminology
13:53:38  that could be socialized outside of 
    ICANN
13:53:41  there's not even a Wiki
13:53:43  page, Wikipedia
13:53:45  page on DNS 
    abuse
13:53:49  people.  People have learned about individual
13:53:51  things, 
    like fishing and farming.
13:53:53   Not in the context
13:53:55  of DNS so do we
13:53:57  
    want to be socially I'ding the term of
13:53:59  DNS abuse
13:54:02  out or 
    sticking
13:54:04  to vocabulary they already know
13:54:06  like cyber crime.  
    And, also,
13:54:09  is this an area we want
13:54:11  to create content or just 
    look for the content
13:54:13  that is already out there.  Such
13:54:15  as the 
    videos that are created by
13:54:17  FTC for example.
     Maybe do
13:54:20  some translation.  And then
13:54:22  use our infrastructure
13:54:24  
    to give them
13:54:27  better visual or distribution.  So I feel like 
    those
13:54:29  kinds of decisions are
13:54:32  decisions that should have been 
    made than by
13:54:34  me in particular.  That
13:54:36  what content do we want 
    to create
13:54:39 ?  What content do we
13:54:41  want to borrow
13:54:43 .
     Versus what content do we
13:54:46  want the distribute.  I hope those
13:54:48  
    questions make sense, that's what I was trying
13:54:51  to get at as
13:54:53  
    the --
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Okay
13:54:55 .
     >> JONATHAN ZUCK:  So that's why I started talk about
13:54:57  this 
    issue more generally.  I feel
13:54:59  likes it's an ongoing 
    conversation,
13:55:01  to figure out what type of 
13:55:03 describedose would 
    be useful.  Like I said
13:55:06 , the conversation we just had,
13:55:09  
    suggests there needs to be a better 
13:55:11 presentation of just what 
    At-Large is
13:55:13 , for example
13:55:15 .
     Then currently
13:55:19  exists.
     The rest of my presentation
13:55:21  was also to talk a little about
13:55:23  
    the fact that videos don't need
13:55:25  to be intimidating.
13:55:28   All the 
    videos from me
13:55:30  are created in PowerPoint.  They are not using
13:55:32  
    the other tools that I use as a film
13:55:34  maker like premier
13:55:36  or 
    after effects or anything like that.
13:55:38   They literally all
13:55:40  have 
    been created via the capabilities
13:55:43  of PowerPoint.  The other 
    question I was
13:55:45  going to ask is
13:55:47  whether or not I should try to 
    teach
13:55:49  a class or record a
13:55:51  class on how to create a video on
13:55:53  
    PowerPoint or keynote,
13:55:55  et cetera.  Really anyone can do
13:55:57  it, 
    it's not a technical
13:56:00  skill
13:56:03 .
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Okay,
13:56:05 .
     >> JONATHAN ZUCK:  Sounds like we are running you out of
13:56:07  
    time sorry
13:56:09 .
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Thank you very much Jonathan.  At this
13:56:11  
    point since time is not our best friend I'm
13:56:13  going to create 
    an action point.
13:56:15   We call a team of volunteers to be
13:56:18  able to 
    have this
13:56:20  discussion on video presentation and
13:56:22  discussing of 
    the
13:56:24  different perspective thinks
13:56:27  things.  This will be a group
13:56:30  that 
    will be comprised of
13:56:32  a little member.  List one
13:56:34  or two 
    members from the
13:56:36  socially working group and one or
13:56:38  two 
    members from CPWG
13:56:40  and one or go members from
13:56:42  the office team.  
    And I think that would be great
13:56:44 .  And, also, I take
13:56:46  a class 
    would be so great to be
13:56:49  able to trained on how to create
13:56:51  
    these medias.
     So with this, allow
13:56:53  me to get into the next
13:56:56  item on the 
    agenda
13:56:59 .
     Which is
13:57:01  discussion with different
13:57:03  social media working
13:57:05  
    group regional presenttives
13:57:07  how to implement the
13:57:10  various 
    strategy for
13:57:12  implement during the time.  What would be
13:57:14  
    recommended
13:57:17  outcome social media working group
13:57:19 .  Would they 
    be a list
13:57:21  of on plan
13:57:24  plan for O/E
13:57:26 .
     Or daily tweets
13:57:28  targeted for people
13:57:30  and would close
13:57:32  if who 
    may be at home on the
13:57:34  call to give us at least brief
13:57:36  updates
13:57:41 .
     Who is available on the call?
13:57:43   To be able
13:57:45  to go fast
13:57:59 .
     Could I please know over the
13:58:02  respective different 
13:58:04 regional 
    representatives working group?  Available on
13:58:06  the call?
13:58:16 
     Okay, apparently it seems
13:58:18  there's none that is ready to take 
    up the
13:58:20  floor.
     I'll just simply skip
13:58:22  that item on the agenda
13:58:25 .
     And, also, since we have been having
13:58:27  various discussions 
    about how to engage
13:58:31  your social media may be proceed
13:58:33  to 
    agenda item number
13:58:35  5 which is regarding to At-Large
13:58:37  
    communication strategy.  Let me
13:58:40  give the floor to Maureen
13:58:42  to 
    work us through the communication strategy
13:58:45 .
     >> MAUREEN HILYARD:  Thank you Daniel
13:58:48 .  I hope I can
13:58:50  be 
    heard
13:58:52 .
     Right, can we have
13:58:55  a copy of the
13:58:58  spreadsheet.
13:59:00   Please
13:59:05  am I 
    competing with someone else online
13:59:08 ?
     Okay.  One
13:59:10  of the things that
13:59:12  well it actually being 

13:59:15     uploaded, one of the things
13:59:17  she just puppet for comment
13:59:19  out 
    to At-Large is
13:59:22  of course the draft At-Large
13:59:24  communications 
    strategy
13:59:26 .
     One of the things that you
13:59:28  know we -- I did decide
13:59:31  when we 
    were
13:59:34  ATLAS was the need to make sure we
13:59:36  got the right
13:59:39  kind of 
    messages out to the targeted
13:59:41  groups that we were focusing on.  
    Up with
13:59:43  of the most important ones
13:59:45  of course at the Monday
13:59:48  
    trial meeting was the ICANN
13:59:50  community itself   sew,
13:59:53  Jonathan 
    was very much part
13:59:55  of that by providing us
13:59:57  with talking 
    points for the
13:59:59  policy.  It was really good to be able
14:00:02  to take 
    these.  Use the
14:00:04  communication model to try and
14:00:07  get those 
    messages that you
14:00:09  know bethought were important at
14:00:11  that 
    particular point this time to get out, you
14:00:14  know any 
    conversations that
14:00:17  we could have wherever.
     But, so
14:00:19  that when we were developing
14:00:21  the communications 
    strategy at
14:00:23  that particular point in time, we wanted
14:00:26  to 
    ensure that the strategy
14:00:28  itself was simple
14:00:31 , format was clear,
14:00:33  
    search.  The message and
14:00:35  the methodology weighs
14:00:37  easy to 
    understand and
14:00:40  like a very
14:00:42  simplified model.  I think that
14:00:44  
    communications ICANN
14:00:47  communications
14:00:51  gave us
14:00:53  was really very 
    useful
14:00:55  and we were actually we were
14:00:59  actually able to put it 
    into practice.  We
14:01:01  found it valuable
14:01:04  to it was easy to relate 
    to
14:01:06 .
     So, this way
14:01:09  therefore we have focused
14:01:11  our At-Large strategy
14:01:13  
    on based it on the
14:01:15  same model.
     One of the things
14:01:17  that sort of like
14:01:20  you know, I mean
14:01:22  this is 
    encompassing
14:01:24 , this strategy
14:01:26  does encompass and 
14:01:28 focuses on the
14:01:31  
    3 areas of priority activities within
14:01:33  At-Large.  And of 
    course,
14:01:35  they are outreach and engagement
14:01:37 .  A big session on 
    it.
14:01:39   But there's also a policy and you
14:01:41  know the strategy
14:01:43  has 
    ever these being cropped
14:01:46  w developed even within the policy,
14:01:48  
    the policy platform and talking points
14:01:50  there's already some 
    idea -- people
14:01:52  are already gathering to give some idea of
14:01:54  
    what the communication needs
14:01:57  with the policy.  With an 
    organization,
14:02:00  of course, that sort of like anything
14:02:02  that 
    isn't policy and outreach.
14:02:05   That it incorporates a lot
14:02:07  of the 
    partnership activities that we have
14:02:10  with other communities 
    within ICANN
14:02:12 .  The sorts of things that
14:02:15  are very important
14:02:17  to 
    At-Large.
14:02:19   But are not part of
14:02:22  the core activities which you
14:02:24  
    and this group and the policy group
14:02:26  are engaged
14:02:29 .
     I think that one of the important things
14:02:31  about this meeting 
    and the discussions that
14:02:33  we have just had is that
14:02:36  we have 
    actually identified the needs of
14:02:38  the many communities that 
    the outreach
14:02:40  and engagement group are
14:02:42  going to, like
14:02:44  having 
    to interact with and
14:02:48  finding one 8th
14:02:50  of how are you going
14:02:53  to 
    incorporate those -- the different
14:02:57  needs of interesting new 
    you are going to be
14:02:59  required to meet the
14:03:01  needs of the 
    different
14:03:04  group within At-Large
14:03:06 .
     We are going from extremes of
14:03:09  people this that know nothing,
14:03:10  
    to you know the academic level now
14:03:13 .  There's a big range of
14:03:15  
    people in between.  So,
14:03:18  it's how do you break those groups up 
    and how
14:03:21  are our ambassadors
14:03:23  within the community going the 
    communicate
14:03:26 , it's important to all of those
14:03:27  different groups 
    appropriately.
     So,
14:03:30  I think that one of the things that like
14:03:32  I would like
14:03:34  to 
    see, even when
14:03:36  you select commenting on the At-Large
14:03:38  strategy 
    but also be looking at,
14:03:40  you know within the outreach and 
    engagement
14:03:43 , what sort of communications
14:03:45  strategy are you 
    going
14:03:48  to have to build, especially in leave it
14:03:50  of the new 
    environment on
14:03:52  which we are working.
     Face-to-face
14:03:54  is not owing
14:03:56  to be the most
14:04:00  plopper way of 
    working with communities
14:04:02 .  And sore of the of like
14:04:05  in the 
    near future.  Going down the
14:04:07  track, maybe.
     Look at
14:04:09 , your strategies got to be looking at
14:04:12 , if we can't 
    do it face-to-face,
14:04:14  what are the alternatives.
14:04:16   It's got to 
    be quite encompassing
14:04:18 .  You got really excellent people 
    within
14:04:20  this team and I'm sure you can
14:04:22 , that the strategy that
14:04:25  
    you develop for this particular
14:04:28  group, working group,
14:04:30  
    incorporating all of those things you need
14:04:33  to do is possible.  
    And you
14:04:36  know,
14:04:39  I mean Jonathan
14:04:40  already provided
14:04:42  like some 
    identified sort of
14:04:44  the areas that we
14:04:47  need to be 
14:04:49 focusing on.  
    That he
14:04:51  can use video with
14:04:53 .  But
14:04:55  there are already other 
    methodologies
14:04:58  that have already been started.  Going to be 
    included
14:05:00 .  That are specific
14:05:02  on the outreach and engagement
14:05:05 .
     So any questions?
14:05:08 
     Happy to take them
14:05:15  or leave them with you, and let you
14:05:17  sort 
    of like ruminate over
14:05:20  them and just work with
14:05:22  them as 
    appropriate.
14:05:25 
     Thank you Daniel.
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Thank you very much
14:05:27  Maureen.  Welcome 
    questions
14:05:29  regarding to the strategy
14:05:32 .
     Does anyone have any
14:05:34  questions?
14:05:37   Going once, going
14:05:39  twice.
     Okay, since we are not
14:05:41  having any questions, I'd like
14:05:44  to 
    thank you Maureen for that presentation
14:05:46 .  There's a lot that 
    is being
14:05:48  done especially to alter strategies
14:05:50  to be able to 
    fit with
14:05:52  online the presence
14:05:55  online office engagement.  I 
    think
14:05:57  that's still some work that
14:05:59  has got to be done 
    regarding the strategy
14:06:02 , thank you very much for that.
     The next
14:06:04  on my agenda, we need a
14:06:06  list of group update
14:06:08  on the 
    ICANN
14:06:13  2020 I'll give the floor to Adam
14:06:15 .  Adam you have the 
    floor
14:06:18 .
     >> ADAM   
14:06:21 PEAKE:
14:06:23   Hi everybody.  Apologies, I was trying
14:06:26  to 
    unmute as
14:06:29  usual p not very much to update
14:06:31  at the moment.  We 
    are like
14:06:33  everybody wondering what is happening
14:06:35  with the 
    world.
14:06:37   However,
14:06:39  ICANN is intending to be there.
14:06:42   ICANN Org, 
    I mean with the usually
14:06:44  types of participation
14:06:46  sessions.  
    Open
14:06:48  forum.
14:06:52   Day zero event and consideration at
14:06:54  the moment 
    of whether or not
14:06:56  to submit an ICANN
14:07:00  Org type of sessions 
    request workshop
14:07:03  request
14:07:05 .
     That will probably be
14:07:08  this year and that's something again 
    we are
14:07:10  considering.  That would be open
14:07:12  to sharing unless
14:07:14  you 
    decide to go down your own path.
14:07:17   And that's really a 
    decision for
14:07:19  the At-Large
14:07:21 .
     We haven't had any internal
14:07:23  calls about this at the moment.  
    You are
14:07:25  probably seeing there's deadlines
14:07:27  coming up and they 
    pulled
14:07:30  the 15th for
14:07:32  various thing you may
14:07:34  want to consider, 
    that's all I need
14:07:36  to the website.
14:07:39   I think that's probe about 
    it.  Other
14:07:41  than to say, this really goes bag
14:07:43  to the academic 
    topic we spoke of earlier
14:07:46 .  We will be
14:07:48  supporting   in small 
    way
14:07:51 , the group
14:07:53  the academics of governance
14:07:56  that always meet 
    on day zero of the
14:07:58  IGF and
14:08:00  Joanna on planning
14:08:03  an event for 
    post docs or
14:08:06  Ph.D. students after the
14:08:08  IGF and we will be
14:08:11  best 
    to support one way or another.  But
14:08:13  it's the best at the 
    moment to look at
14:08:15  IGF website, look
14:08:17  at the deadlines and 
    consider what
14:08:19  you're going to submit for
14:08:23  your selves.  And
14:08:25  it 
    is again, if it's an
14:08:28  ICANN you are more than welcome
14:08:30  the 
    share, that's the decision you may
14:08:32  need the Mike if you
14:08:35  want 
    independent or 
14:08:38 not.
     Thank you.
     >> Adam you should mention about
14:08:40  the Webinar April
14:08:43  6th
14:08:48 .
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Thank you very much Adam for that.  I 
    think at this point
14:08:50  we need to set up at least a
14:08:52  workspace 
    for
14:08:55  the 2020 AGF
14:08:57 .  So I'm going to request staff
14:08:59  to work on 
    that.  And, also,
14:09:01  Judith mentioned there's going to be
14:09:05  an AGF 
    Webinar in the next two weeks.
14:09:06   Judith do you have a list
14:09:09  of 
    precise time the Webinar
14:09:11  will takes place I believe the 
    members will like
14:09:13  to know that.
     >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN:  I think
14:09:16  it's April 6th but I can 
    forward an email
14:09:18  to the group.
14:09:21   Yeah,
14:09:24  Glen, thanks for 
    posting it
14:09:26 .  April 6 at
14:09:28  1400 UTC
14:09:30 .  And Glen has documented 
    this
14:09:32  on his IG
14:09:35 F page
14:09:38 .
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Thank you very much Glen for that 
    information.
     And, also,
14:09:42  Judith from sharing that perspective information 
    also
14:09:45 .
     I think this discusses and preparations
14:09:47  will be going on.
14:09:50   I
14:09:52  
    also do them month updates as
14:09:54  AGF is one of the key 
    activities we
14:09:56  get involved in
14:09:58 .
     Next we shall item on the agenda is you are
14:10:00  going to allow 
    us an update regarding
14:10:03  to the RALO discussion on
14:10:05  the Court 
    finding.
14:10:07   That was from start
14:10:10  and -- also, we should be able
14:10:12  
    to hear and have a discussion about the
14:10:14  various challenges 
    here.  This is
14:10:17  the fact that the discussion
14:10:19  on the discussion 
    area
14:10:22  will be held more 
14:10:24 comprehensively during the ALT
14:10:26  call.  
    I
14:10:28  talk about this
14:10:31  group discussion or this.
14:10:33   Hadia or
14:10:42 .
     >> Mary, this is Heidi.  Mine
14:10:44  will be really quick.  Should 
    I good first
14:10:46  and hand it to you.
     >> Mary
14:10:48 :  Sure thing Heidi,
14:10:50  go ahead.
     >> HEIDI ULLRICH:  I wanted to show
14:10:53  you the ray low 
    discretionary
14:10:55  funding.  I put it
14:10:57  into the chat [
14:10:59 RALO] if you 
    can scroll
14:11:01  down.  This is a staff authorized
14:11:05  activity.  We
14:11:07  
    closely with the chairs
14:11:09  regional leadership of the 
14:11:11 RALOs to 
    help you with these
14:11:13  requests.  Now,
14:11:16  there are -- this 
    requires a
14:11:18  3 week advanced notice.  So there's still
14:11:20  time do 
    this, for fiscal
14:11:22  year 20.  Keep in mind these activities
14:11:24  are 
    not just travel.  There's a lot
14:11:27  of opportunity now
14:11:29  to have 
    activities such as printing.
14:11:31   If you might wish
14:11:33  to think 
    ahead to fiscal
14:11:35  year 21.  You can
14:11:38  print materials now for 
    fiscal
14:11:40  rear 21.  That's for sure
14:11:42  and you can do pro mogul 
    items
14:11:44 .
14:11:47   And this is partial true for the regions
14:11:50  having their 
    assemblies
14:11:52  that.  The RALO and rack
14:11:54  RALO.  And fiscal
14:11:56  21.  
    There's still a chance to go ahead and
14:11:58  submit the requests 
    here.
14:12:01   So, if there are any questions
14:12:03  here, again, this is 
    not the place
14:12:05  to talk about process.
14:12:08   That process is handled 
    at
14:12:10  the regional leadership level
14:12:12  not outreach and engagement.
14:12:14   
    So I would ask that you don't ask any
14:12:16  questions about the 
    process here.
     And I'm
14:12:18  going the turn it over to Mary
14:12:21  to talk about
14:12:24  CROP 
    thank you
14:12:29 .
     >> Mary:  I see Judith has her hand up.
14:12:31   I don't know if 
    there was
14:12:33  a question.
     >> HEIDI ULLRICH:  It was a question.
14:12:35   You said 
    publications.
14:12:37   I thought public -- I
14:12:40  thought pro sures and 
    that type were
14:12:42  a different funding
14:12:44  treatment
14:12:48 .
     >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN:  Like At-Large brochures
14:12:50  or the male 
    cards
14:12:52  or RALO brochures I thought
14:12:54  that was that different 
    funding
14:12:56  extreme.
     >> HEIDI ULLRICH:  So those are, again
14:12:58 , we are trying to 
    make them work closely
14:13:00  with the communications department and
14:13:03  
    those are
14:13:06  to be as extended length as
14:13:09  possible.  So, are if 
    you would
14:13:11  like extra ones or if you want
14:13:13  special ones for a 
    particular policy
14:13:15  or particular event, that's
14:13:17  what I'm 
    talking
14:13:20  about.  You see for example we had
14:13:22  a request from F
14:13:25  
    RALO of an event they were
14:13:27  holding they wanted it for that 
    event as well in
14:13:29  a local language.  Those are the types of 
    event
14:13:31 .  These are not necessarily the
14:13:34  RALO brochures we are a 
    talking about.
14:13:37   Or the male
14:13:41  mail cards we are talking about
14:13:47 .
     >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN:  Thank you very much, I was a little 
    unclear
14:13:49  on that.
     >> Marry
14:13:52 iy had Wo
14:13:57 ng:  Heidi I'll jump in, I realize
14:13:59  we are 
    probably going to run out of time.  I don't have
14:14:01  a 
    presentation or long update.
14:14:03   Heidi asked me to join this 
    call
14:14:05  just to take your questions and to give
14:14:07  you a sense of 
    where things
14:14:10  stand with CROP for the remainder
14:14:12  of this 
    financial year.  Basically
14:14:14  as you will know, we are in a time 
    of
14:14:16  uncertainty.  And you have probably
14:14:18  seen that ICANN
14:14:20  Org 
    has taken some measures
14:14:23  to try to address a few things
14:14:25  during 
    this current crisis.
     First of
14:14:27  all, most of our staff
14:14:29  have been asked to work from
14:14:32  
    home at shall at possible
14:14:34 .  And, also, in respect
14:14:38  to up 
    coming events you may have seen that
14:14:40  the GDD summit and
14:14:41  
    associated events that were planned for
14:14:44  early May have also 
    been cans
14:14:46    he had.  This is all of course because of
14:14:47  COVID 
    189.
14:14:49   I see Glen the question in the
14:14:51  can chat,
14:14:54  for CROP we 
    are looking what ever funding
14:14:56  remains through each of
14:14:59  your 
    groups through June of this year.  That's the end
14:15:01  of ICANN's 
    financial year
14:15:04 .  So 30th June
14:15:06  2020.
     First of all, I think the fact that
14:15:08  you're thinking about it 
    and looking
14:15:11  ahead is really great, it's really timely
14:15:13 .  At 
    the same time there has not been
14:15:15  any decisions made beyond 
    the ones I just told
14:15:17  you.  So it is basically a little bit at
14:15:20  
    a time
14:15:22 .
     Exactly Glen.  Some event
14:15:24  were canceled and given
14:15:26  the lead 
    time for travel,
14:15:28  I assume that any
14:15:30  additional remaining 
    trips, exactly
14:15:33  is the 8 weeks notice.  We
14:15:36  looking presumeably
14:15:38  
    that trips some of you may take
14:15:41  to out   reach in May and 
    June.
14:15:43   I see Dave your question about the
14:15:46  ICANN 68 meeting
14:15:48  no 
    decision has been reached or made
14:15:50  about that as of yet ICANN
14:15:53  
    or the board at this moment thinking through
14:15:55  not just ICANN 
    68 but
14:15:58  activities and priorities
14:16:00  going over the next few 
    months
14:16:02 .  Because this
14:16:04  crept crisis has of course made it very
14:16:07  
    difficult for a lot of our community
14:16:09  members, ourselves 
    included as
14:16:11  well as staff given the demands of
14:16:14  family, 
    children and a whole bunch of other
14:16:16  things.  We really need 

14:16:18     they orient some of on the priorities and that's the
14:16:20  
    discussion that is happening internally and with
14:16:23  the board.
     I'm sorry
14:16:25 , Mary, 6   weeks notice
14:16:27 .  But regardless we are 
    looking at
14:16:29  May and June.
     So what I can
14:16:31  say to you today, is that
14:16:33  at the
14:16:38  moment CROP 
    remains funded
14:16:39  the allocation are through the end of the
14:16:42  
    year, 30th of June
14:16:45  2020.
     The situation is very dynamic
14:16:47  since trips funded by ICANN
14:16:50  to 
    the extent that a decision
14:16:52  is made within the next month
14:16:54  or 
    couple of months,
14:16:56  that would be no events and no travel,
14:16:58  that 
    will obviously
14:17:00  impact any proposals that
14:17:02  anyone may have made 
    under crop as
14:17:04  well.
     So what I'll
14:17:07  say is that there are traps
14:17:09  that you are 
    planning to take, you
14:17:11  should go ahead and develop
14:17:13  the 
    proposal and you
14:17:16  pit in this accordance with the
14:17:18  6 weeks 
    deadline.  But please be
14:17:20  prepared that things could change 
    and obviously
14:17:23  Heidi and her team and I will come
14:17:25  back to you 
    if there's anything we hear
14:17:27  about coming down the pike
14:17:29 .
     But as of 
14:17:31 nowers this is where things stand.  I stop here
14:17:34 , I 
    see Olivier you have your hand
14:17:36  up and I am sure folks you 
    have
14:17:38  comments and questions as well
14:17:41 .
     >> OLIVIER CREPIN-LEBLOND:  Thank you very much Marie.  And
14:17:43  
    thank you for coming on the call and pointing
14:17:46  out where ICANN 
    is
14:17:48  at the moment in this exceptional
14:17:51  circumstances.
     The concern I have
14:17:53  with regards to CROP of
14:17:55  last years is 
    that we have
14:17:57  got the week's notice
14:18:00  that is required and of 
    course the
14:18:02  deadline for the fiscal year being the
14:18:04  end of 
14:18:06 
    June.
     And the at the same time we are
14:18:08  seeing growth growth in what 
    is going on
14:18:11  with the 
14:18:14 COVID 19 vier e 
14:18:16 virus.  Airlines pretty 
    much out the business at the
14:18:18  moment
14:18:21 .  Having down.  And well 
    Olympic games over the
14:18:23  summer that have now been moved
14:18:25  to 
    next
14:18:27  year.
     In Europe all events have
14:18:30  been canceled, all of the way up
14:18:32  
    to June.  I can't think of a
14:18:34  single one that is remaining.  
    So in
14:18:36  our region it looks as though there's not
14:18:38  going to be 
    any opportunity
14:18:40  for trough trips.  In fact the governor
14:18:42  is 
    not even letting you cross
14:18:44  the road these days.  Let alone
14:18:46  
    going to get your daily food
14:18:48 .
     So the concern I have is you know we have
14:18:50  got the 
14:18:53 
    allocationas rightly mentioned
14:18:55  would there be a chance of 
    ICANN
14:18:58  reallocating this allocation so
14:19:00  we don't lose the funds 
    all together and
14:19:02  use this as a opportunity for us to perhaps
14:19:04  
    do is a bit more with the
14:19:07  discretionary funding.  So as
14:19:10  to 
    prepare ourselves better for
14:19:12  the post
14:19:14  COVID 19 things we are
14:19:16  
    going to have to do.  I know
14:19:18  it's impossible to, and we have 
    discussed
14:19:20  it on many occasions it's
14:19:23  impossible to transfer 
    funds from
14:19:25  one year to the next fiscal year
14:19:27 .  But spending 
    the money this year on
14:19:29  stuff we can store in the meantime
14:19:32  
    such at what Heidi
14:19:34  was mentioning and pins
14:19:36  and stickers.  All 
    of this
14:19:38  stuff could be something that might be helpful with
14:19:40  a 
    bit more funds rather than just
14:19:46  loosing them all together
14:19:50 .
     >> Marie thanks very much
14:19:52  hi if Olivier and pointing out the 
    challenges
14:19:54  even if one where
14:19:56  to say it's a good opportunity
14:19:58  
    for a friendship a lot is canceled and
14:20:01  then the are you able 
    to get there given
14:20:02  what is happening to the airlines.  Your 
    question
14:20:05  is similar on the something
14:20:08  Glen and alley asked in 
    the chat as well.  And
14:20:10  as you rightly point out,
14:20:13  it's not so 
    much carrying
14:20:15  forward the funds because of the way to the 
    budgeting
14:20:17  and planning cycles run
14:20:19 , it will be a new 
    allocation essentially
14:20:21  for FY 21 which
14:20:23  starts in the first of 
    July.
14:20:26   So this is part of the
14:20:28  internal list of
14:20:31  pending 
    discuss that need to be made
14:20:34 .
     Our team has already raised
14:20:37  it to exzero reand
14:20:40  the finance 
    team in terms of what
14:20:42  allocation is made
14:20:44  to CROP for FY
14:20:47  1 or 
    what changes or made to the
14:20:50  Avrien
14:20:52  develop he opens tore FY
14:20:54  
    21.  There's a question we raised.
14:20:57   There's no decision as of 
    yet.  But hopefully
14:20:59  once some of the internal
14:21:02  and board 
    discussions moved along
14:21:04  and I anticipate this will happen in 
    the
14:21:06  next couple or few weeks, we will get a
14:21:09  lot more clarity 
    over
14:21:11  travel for the next few months to the end
14:21:13  of this 
    financial year.
14:21:15   And we also get some
14:21:18  clarity over whether
14:21:20  
    there's any additional available allocation
14:21:22  for CROP and the 
    
14:21:25 ABRS for FY
14:21:27  21.  I hope that answers yours and
14:21:29  the other's 
    questions as
14:21:31  well
14:21:38 .
     [Mary
14:21:40    Wong]
14:21:44 
     Daniel, I don't know if there's other questions
14:21:46  or comments.  
    It doesn't seem like
14:21:49  it.  I'm happy to stay so the call even
14:21:51  
    if you want to move to your next agenda
14:21:53  item.
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Thank you very much
14:21:56  Mary for that.  
    Actually, I don't
14:21:58  see any questions.  Not on the call,
14:22:00  it 
    seems they have all been answered.
14:22:02   Some that were on the 
    chat
14:22:04 , have already been answered by you
14:22:07 .  Let's wait for next 
    session.  I can
14:22:09  see a
14:22:11  hand up.
     >> Yes
14:22:13  they say.
     >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN:  For the record.  I guess
14:22:16  the 
    question is
14:22:18  Mary, because of
14:22:20  the six weeks pro deadline
14:22:22 , you 
    are saying that we should try
14:22:25  to go ahead and
14:22:27  if something is 
    not canceled
14:22:30  yet for June and schedulite
14:22:32  just in case.  Many 
    we
14:22:34  see something
14:22:37 .
     But,
14:22:39  there's no guarantee that
14:22:42  it could fall a part but
14:22:44  you 
    are saying we should go ahead.  And
14:22:46  you are saying, the other 
    question
14:22:48  I was not clear on that, were you saying
14:22:52  that 
    potentially depending on
14:22:54  how the board or others act,
14:22:56  we may
14:22:59  
    get additional slots.  So instead
14:23:01  of the 3, we
14:23:03  get a forth 
    one because so many of
14:23:05  the events that was supposed
14:23:07  to happen 
    in this corner
14:23:10  have been moved to September.
14:23:12   And maybe I 
    wasn't -- I
14:23:14  wanted to speak clear that.  So
14:23:16  thank so much
14:23:22 .
     >> MIKE BRENNAN:  No worries Judith I'll
14:23:24  try to be as clear 
    as possible
14:23:26  [Mary] don't take it
14:23:29  that I or anyone at ICANN
14:23:31  
    Org is telling you go out and spend the money now
14:23:33  and plan 
    for a trip, because
14:23:35  the money won't always about
14:23:37  there.  We 
    are definitely not saying that
14:23:39 .  What I am saying
14:23:41  as part of 
    each
14:23:44  Ralos planning.  You all had
14:23:47  a specific part as part of
14:23:48  
    planning its possibility that there's an
14:23:50  event or something 
    you may be planning
14:23:53  to do between now and the end of June.
14:23:56   
    The current CROP guidelines rules and
14:23:59  processes continue to 
    apply.  If you
14:24:01  were going the put in a trip
14:24:03  proposal for late
14:24:06  
    May or applied June at this point
14:24:08  for example.  You should
14:24:10  
    plan to r are are
14:24:12  on continuing to develop your plan for 
    that.
14:24:14   But just know that between now and
14:24:17  that trip, or even 
    between
14:24:19  now and the next few
14:24:21  weeks, the decisions that
14:24:23  ICANN 
    board and can management may
14:24:26  make may effect whether or not 
    we are able
14:24:28  to fund that proposal.
     So
14:24:30  I hope that's clear.
     So we are
14:24:32  not changing the rules on you, right
14:24:34  now.  And I 
    don't know that
14:24:37  we are actually changing the rules at all
14:24:39 .  
    Is just that decisions may need to be
14:24:41  made in light of to the 
    crisis that
14:24:44  will effect travel for everyone
14:24:46 .
     Staff community and the board through the
14:24:48  end of June and
14:24:50  
    may be even beyond.  We are just not
14:24:52  in the position so
14:24:54  say 
    whether that's the case or
14:24:56  not if.
     In regards to the next
14:24:58  financial year, September as example
14:25:00  
    you mentioned this is
14:25:02  something eternally
14:25:04  exoffia and the 
    executives are aware of
14:25:07  because we raced them.  I don't know
14:25:09  
    when the decision will be made, because they are
14:25:11  taking into 
    account all of the
14:25:13  different contingencies
14:25:15  financial issues 
    and so forth   but they are
14:25:17  aware that this is something that 
    they will
14:25:19  need to look at
14:25:21  given that some of these
14:25:24  outreach 
    opportunities
14:25:26  necessarily will have to be rescheduled
14:25:28 .  
    Whether that's a possibility for
14:25:30  FY 21 the envelope can be
14:25:32  
    increased to accommodate that.
14:25:34   Then I wanted to highlight 
    also
14:25:37  something that Glen I think said in the chat.  If you
14:25:39  
    are out of pocket by
14:25:41  anything, you want to be careful at this
14:25:43  
    point in time.  Because a lot
14:25:45  if on these issues about
14:25:47  
    whether you you get a refund on the cancellation
14:25:49 , that's not 
    something that either ICANN
14:25:51  or Org or even our travel
14:25:54  agent 
    can control.  That's really up on the airlines
14:25:56  and hotels and 
    venues and
14:25:58  the like.
     I think there's another hand
14:26:01  in this chat.  Is it
14:26:04  
14:26:07 
    Yrjolansipuro
14:26:09 .
     >> Yes.  Thank you.  I mean
14:26:11 , take -- looking at
14:26:13  those 
    predictions and curves
14:26:15  of how they at
14:26:18  least epidemic will be
14:26:20 , 
    epidemic
14:26:22  will develop we can forget
14:26:24  about physical travel and 
    meetings
14:26:27 .  Physical meetings for this
14:26:29  financial years for the 
    rest of this financial year.
14:26:31   So my question is, is
14:26:33  it 
    possible to use
14:26:36  that money for at
14:26:39  a virtual equivalent
14:26:42  to say 
    for virtual meetings
14:26:46 .  So, in moment cases they are free as
14:26:48  
    far as
14:26:50  use are concerned but there's many
14:26:52  cases where 
    participating in a
14:26:55  virtual
14:26:57  conference causes some costs.
14:26:59   So 
    my question is, is it possible
14:27:02  to use this
14:27:04  money since fizz 
    canical travel is
14:27:06  not possible.  To use it for
14:27:08  the 
    equivalent, for the virtual
14:27:10  conferences.
14:27:14   Thank you.
     >> Mary Wong
14:27:16 :  Thank you very much for that question Euro
14:27:19 .  
    That's a good question and I will
14:27:21  say at the moment, that
14:27:23  
    sort of attendance and
14:27:26  spend isn't contemplated by
14:27:28  the 
    current CROP guidelines.  But I
14:27:30  also say that obviously
14:27:32  the 
    current CROP guidelines were
14:27:34  for a different time and it's 
    not
14:27:37  the same at all as the situation
14:27:39  we find ourselves in 
    now.
     So
14:27:41  what else I'll say is that I will
14:27:43  certainly take
14:27:46  this 
    suggestion back to the management at
14:27:48  ICANN organize and the 
    board
14:27:51 .  So if a decisions is made
14:27:53  that effects the crop
14:27:56  
    program and travel within
14:27:58  the CROP program within a year they
14:28:00  
    consider you other alternatives that
14:28:02  can allow the community
14:28:04  
    to achieve itself outreach goals.
14:28:06   Maybe not in the same way
14:28:08  
    but go some way in addressing
14:28:11  the outreach strategies and
14:28:14  I 
    hope that 
14:28:17 helpful.
     >> It is
14:28:21 .
     >> GLENN McKNIGHT:  How about a stipend for
14:28:23  us for Tylenol 
    or
14:28:24  bottles of wine.  
14:28:26 Since we are on so many calls, what do 
    you think
14:28:29  of that idea?
14:28:31 
     >> Mary Wong:  Glen you
14:28:33  always have the best idea ideas.  I 
    think
14:28:35  a lot of people, the need
14:28:38  for sustenance to get through 
    this
14:28:41  time.
     >> GLENN McKNIGHT:  Just
14:28:43  joking.
     [chuckling].
14:28:50 
     >> Mary Wong:  I'll hand
14:28:53  I back to you
14:28:56 .
     >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN:  There's a couple of comments on the 
    chat
14:28:58  on whether payments can we use some of
14:29:00  this 
    discretionally or
14:29:03  other funds to pay for
14:29:05  Internet 
    connections?
14:29:11 
     >> Mary wonk:  Judith
14:29:13  if that's a question for me,
14:29:15  I'm 
    afraid I can't answer that
14:29:17 .  That's obviously
14:29:20  not covered 
    within CROP this
14:29:22  question was raised in the
14:29:24  ICANN 67 and the
14:29:26  
    what we issued then 
14:29:28 regrettably unfortunately
14:29:30  said that's not 
    something
14:29:32  ICANN Org can
14:29:34  cover.
     >> JUDITH HELLERSTEIN:  Thank you so much.  I saw it
14:29:36  in the 
    chat that's why I mentioned
14:29:39  it
14:29:41 .
     >> GLENN McKNIGHT:  Thank you very much Mary for that and 
    thank you all
14:29:44  for your regarding
14:29:48  to perspective updates 
    regarding CROP.
     One of
14:29:50  the last updates on the agenda
14:29:52  the regional plans
14:29:54  and 
    I think our co-chairs are
14:29:56  willing to give updates.  Let me 
    give
14:29:59  the floor to Glen to give
14:30:01  us an update
14:30:03  on
14:30:05  the Strat eek 
    I can plan.  Glen, you have
14:30:07  the floor
14:30:18 .
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Glen are you on the call
14:30:20 ?
     >> HEIDI ULLRICH:  Can yell
14:30:22  we are now at time.  We need to 
    first
14:30:24  ask the interpreters if we can
14:30:27  extend.  But also, if I
14:30:29  
    just might note
14:30:31  that we are hoping that
14:30:33  the co-chairs are 
    working closely
14:30:35  with the regional leadership on this
14:30:37 .  And 
    even beyond
14:30:40  that, given the situation and the
14:30:42  need for 
    streamlining and
14:30:44  coordination, on the regional plans
14:30:46 .  It 
    might be really useful
14:30:49  if we can set up
14:30:51  regional calls with 
    each
14:30:53  regional team.  That includes
14:30:55  the co-chairs of outreach
14:30:57  
    and engagement group and the
14:30:59  regional leadership and 
14:31:01 GNC and 
    staff supporting your regions to make
14:31:04  sure that your 
14:31:06 plans 
    take into account
14:31:08  what might be situation next year
14:31:10 .  And 
    plan all of
14:31:12  your activities more efficiently.  So I'm
14:31:15  not if 
    that -- if you would like
14:31:17  to move ahead that way.  Much just 
    given
14:31:20  the time.
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  Okay,
14:31:22  thank you very much Heidi for 
    that suggestion.  By
14:31:24  that suggestion, and
14:31:26  I think we can set 
    that present action
14:31:28  point.  So the co-chairs
14:31:31 , GSE and
14:31:33  the ray 
    low leaders can
14:31:35  have each call respectively
14:31:37  to discuss their 
    strategy plans.  Probably we can
14:31:39  do that before the next call
14:31:41  
    then and during the next call
14:31:43  we can be able to have
14:31:45  updates 
    regarding to where we are
14:31:48  at the regional
14:31:51  surgy plan.  Spoke 
    that and walk that 
14:31:53 effectively.  Yes.
     With that, I'm
14:31:56  going to suggest that
14:31:58  the next call will be
14:32:00  
    happening
14:32:05  in the same time next
14:32:08  year.  Next month.  And
14:32:10  we 
    shall be able to keep you updated
14:32:12 .  I would like to thank
14:32:15  our 
    interpreters,
14:32:17  staff members present on the call.  All of
14:32:19  the 
    respective input into
14:32:22  the call.
     >> HEIDI ULLRICH:  Sorry
14:32:24  for interrupting.  The
14:32:26  interpreters 
    gave us
14:32:28  additional 5 to 10 minutes if you
14:32:30  wish to continue 
    the
14:32:33  call
14:32:36 .
     >> DANIEL NANGHAKA:  I don't think we should continue
14:32:39  to 
    take the call.  I think we have action plan
14:32:41  for the next 
    call.  I think we are
14:32:44  add you journeying the call to last 
    week of
14:32:46  the coming month.  Thank you all
14:32:53 .
     >> Be safe, take care.
14:32:57 
     >> Thanks everyone


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