<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Dear Alberto<div>Since you pointed out the issue with the discussion list, I’ve been using the English list only. I hope that’s correct. I too find the lists confusing and don’t get everything that’s posted on the list. </div><div><br></div><div>With respect to your specific question, I only quoted the RoP with respect to Title VII Section 24. <br><br>I agree that what was reported at the meeting is valid and the results should stand as is with elections taking place for the last position. However, the chair of the Governance Working Group seems to have another opinion, hence the second meeting that is called tonight.<br><div dir="ltr">CCC<div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 16 May 2023, at 1:22 PM, Alberto Soto Roldan <alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style>@font-face { font-family: "Cambria Math"; }
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Claire, What will be voted after ten days? . There are candidates who were already informed in the same meeting that they were going to be declared by acclamation. If it was reported or not yet, what is valid is what was reported at the meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sorry for my insistence, but they are writing in English on the list in Spanish and vice versa. Please take this into account. I have no problems, but there are those who need the translation. And besides, I don't know if it would be valid for some communication not to be translated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Greetings<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Alberto Soto<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span lang="ES"> lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <b>En nombre de </b>Claire C. Craig<br><b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 16 de mayo de 2023 13:55<br><b>Para:</b> LAC-Discuss-en <lac-discuss-en@icann.org><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [lac-discuss-en] Meeting invitation: LACRALO Governance WG Call is on Tuesday, 16 May 2023 at 23:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Dear All<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Further to Carlton’s email, please be aware that the candidates in question have not received any formal notification. As a result, the process has not begun until this is done. Informally the candidates were questioned at the candidates call, they replied that they did not have conflicts. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">It is my understanding that after the formal notification <b>Title VII -About Conflicts of Interest - Section 24</b> can be applied. In case of any emerging conflict of interest which may be unclear according to the operative principles of the region, a written statement shall be requested from each <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">nominee. <b>Immediately, a five (5) -</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>day process shall begin</b> to clarify the situation and the “Regional leaders” <b>(NOT Governance Working Group)</b> shall make a <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">special call to hear all interested parties. <b>If after said period no resolution is reached, the region shall vote within a period of 10 days once the clarification period is over, and the issue shall be resolved by simple majority of the cast votes. </b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Please be guided accordingly. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Claire C. Craig<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">LACRALO Secretariat <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On 16 May 2023, at 11:32 AM, Carlton Samuels <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">It appears an agenda was not lodged to either the Secretariat or Staff. If there is one and I missed it, might it be circulated before the call?</span><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">We had a discussion last week that would have closed the matter. That this continues raises a number of issues, among them the basic understanding of the RoP. Members should consult Robert's Rules of Order for an understanding of how the procedures work.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Looking at the thread, I am presuming that a member has invoked Title VII Section 24 of the RoP. That is, an official challenge to one or other member regarding "<b><i>an emerging conflict of interest</i></b>" (CoI). But absent an official notice lodged with the Secretariat and/or staff and presented to the entire membership via the Discussion List, one cannot be certain. This must be stated unequivocally. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">A notice invoking Title VII Section 24 is only properly brought when the member alleging a CoI self identifies and publicly states the basis of the "emerging conflict of interest" sensed by that member on the general Discussion List. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Let us be clear, this cannot be a gripe of an unfounded concern on a frolic fueled by malice or ignorance. Bringing a personal gripe to the membership opens that member to a charge of placing this body in disrepute, malice aforethought and behaviour injurious to the comity of this community. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Plus it is a distraction and a waste of valuable volunteer time for which, at minimum, exposes the member to a motion of censure at the next meeting of the community.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">We must and shall follow the rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Carlton Samuels <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>==============================<br><i><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Carlton A Samuels</span></i><br><i><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><span style="color:#33CC00">Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</span></span></i><br>=============================<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 12 May 2023 at 15:31, ICANN At-Large Staff via Lacralo-governance <<a href="mailto:lacralo-governance@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lacralo-governance@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div 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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dear All,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The next <b>LACRALO Governance WG Call</b> is scheduled for </span><b><u><span lang="TR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Tues</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">day, </span></u></b><b><u><span lang="TR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">16 May</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 2023 </span></u></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">at 23:00 UTC.</span></b><span 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