[EURO-Discuss] [At-Large] not so fast (Re: SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL)
Wendy Seltzer
wendy at seltzer.com
Wed Mar 28 09:31:29 EDT 2007
I have to agree with Thomas that I'd rather
people knew the meaning of what they were signing
than where they were to stand on stage.
--Wendy
At 09:21 AM 3/28/2007, Thomas Roessler wrote:
>On 2007-03-28 14:18:00 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
> > Definitely - I'm not ignoring you Thomas, I'm
> just under the gun> to finish the staging order
> for the ceremony tomorrow rather
> > urgently as it is quite complex and involves
> many people as you> can imagine...
>Just in case you didn't notice -- the questions
>I'm asking are aboutthe substance of what is
>apparently going to be signed, and I thinkit
>would be appropriate to deal with these well before the signingceremony.
>-- Thomas Roessler <roessler at does-not-exist.org>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 28/03/07, Thomas Roessler
> <roessler at does-not-exist.org> wrote:> >Hi
> Nick,> >> >how about an answer to the questions
> in this message?> >> >| From: Thomas Roessler
> <roessler at does-not-exist.org>> >| To:
> nick.ashton-hart at icann.org,> >|
> Discussion for At-Large Europe
> <euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >|
> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:05:55 +0200> >|
> Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the
> MoUs> >> >On another matter, I notice the
> following in your proposed> >electronic signing
> statement:> >> >| I hereby consent for [INSERT
> ORGANISATION FULL NAME] to be bound by> >| the
> terms of the Memorandum of Understanding
> between ICANN and the> >| Signing Organisations
> in the European Region as if I were
> personally> >| signing the document.> >> >How
> does this language (which clearly suggests some
> kind of binding> >effect) mix with this
> statement of yours to the na-discuss
> list,> >made last Friday?> >> >| From: "Nick
> Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart at icann.org>> >| Subj: Re: [NA-Di!
>scuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended
>beneficiary> >| of RALO MOUs> >| Date: Fri
>Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am> >| Size: 2K> >|
>To: "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy at seltzer.com>> >|
>cc: "Michael Maranda" <mmaranda at afcn.org>,
>na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> >|> >| To
>clarify, as I have been given to understand the
>MoUs between ICANN> >| and the regions is not a
>contract as that term is understood in law.> >|
>It is an agreement, but not of legal standing
>such as a contract.> >> >Thanks for your
>clarification,> >--> >Thomas
>Roessler
><roessler at does-not-exist.org>> >> >> >> >> >> >On
> 2007-03-28 13:13:25 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart
>wrote:> >> From: Nick Ashton-Hart
><nick.ashton-hart at icann.org>> >> To:
>bruch at humanistische-union.de,
>kiravuo at tml.hut.fi,> >> Wolfgang
>Kleinwächter> >>
><Wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>,>
> >> wolfgang at imv.au.dk,
>aoliva at isoc-cat.org,
>aoliva at diplomaticnet.com,> >>
>dpefeva at isoc.bg, patrick at vande-walle.eu, Patrick at isoc.l!
>u,> >> rudi.vansnick at isoc.be, sebastien.bachollet at isoc.!
>fr> >> Cc: Europe Discuss
><euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> Date:
>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:13:25 +0100> >> Subject:
>[EURO-Discuss] SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT
>EMAIL> >> Reply-To: Discussion for At-Large
>Europe> >>
><euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >>
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>Europe> >>
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>version=1.1.5> >>> >> Dear All:> >>> >> I have
>heard from the following people with the details
>required to finish> >> the signature
>page.> >>> >> IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST BELOW
>PLEASE REPLY ASAP (BEFORE END OF DAY> >>
>WEDNESDAY) OR YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE SIGNERS
>OF THE MOU ON THURSDAY!> >>> >> Internet Society
>- Bulgaria> >> Signing person: Dragoslava
>Pefeva> >> Position: Coordinator for
>ALAC> >>> >> Name of Organisation: Medienstadt
>Leipzig e.V.> >>> >> Name of Signer: Wolfgang
>Kleinwächter> >>> >> Position of Signe!
>r: Member of the Board> >>> >> > Name of
>Organisation : Internet Society
>Belgium> >>> >> > Name of Signer : Rudi
>Vansnick> >>> >> > Position of Signer :
>Chair> >>> >> Name of Organisation Internet
>Society Luxembourg> >>> >> Name of
>Signer Patrick Vande Walle> >>> >>
>Position of Signer Chairman> >>> >> Name
>of Organisation Chapitre français de l'Internet
>Society Isoc> >> France> >>> >> Name of Signer
>Sébastien Bachollet> >>> >> Position of Signer
>Président> >>> >>> >> DIGITAL SIGNERS> >>> >>
>(SEE SEPARATE EMAIL ON THIS SUBJECT)> >>> >>
>Christophe BRUCH> >> "German Civil Liberties
>Union / Humanistische Union" (GCLU)> >>> >>
>Board Member> >>> >> > Name of Organisation:
>netzwerk neue medien (nnm) - network new
>media> >> (nnm)> >>> >> > Name of Signer:
>Annette Muehlberg> >>> >> > Position of Signer:
>Chair> >> >>
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Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School
Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society
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