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    <p>I tend to agree with Evan that many, perhaps most, of the new
      TLDs are not much better than toys to inflate various corporate
      egos or speculative dreams.<br>
    </p>
    <p>However, it is not ICANN's job to dictate what on the Internet is
      useful and what is not.</p>
    <p>But ICANN can be helpful even when it is not authoritative.</p>
    <p>Reading a root zone file published by IANA (operated by ICANN) is
      way to tire one's eyeballs.</p>
    <p>ICANN could publish a nice Linux/*BSD shell script for makers of
      phones, systems, and apps that did the following:</p>
    <p>  1. Pulled a copy of the latest IANA root zone file. (Eg a
      simple "wget" command)</p>
    <p>  2. Parsed the records of that file into a sequence of
      <name>:<ipv4-address> or <name>:<ipv6-address
      pairs></p>
    <p>  3. Iterated through those pairs to perform a set of "dig"
      queries using the <name> against the <ipv4-address> or
      <ipv6-address> (as appropriate) to evaluate whether there is
      indeed an operating name server at the given address that knows
      about the purported name.  (This could be extended to dig through
      the NS records and check whether those servers are also
      operational and valid.)</p>
    <p>ICANN could then make this script available to makers with a
      cover not that asks "Is your list of top level domains complete? 
      Here's a tool to help you check."</p>
    <p>(If I were writing this, I'd do it as a two-level hierarchy of
      scripts, the bottom-most would do the dig based name checks given
      a sequence of name-address pairs.  That would be a tool used by a
      higher level script that fetched and parsed a root zone file to
      produce the name-address pairs.)</p>
    <p>There's additional things that could be evaluated, such as
      whether the vendor is properly handling things like DNSSEC, DoH or
      DoT, whether connectivity to the name servers works over both IPv4
      and IPv6 (this is different than whether the servers and the
      vendor's code properly handle IPv4 and IPv6 address queries.)</p>
    <p>ICANN could even put this kind of tool into Apps for things like
      iPhones and Android phones (and for other platforms) to make it
      easier for vendors to run these checks (and for users to check
      whether their vendors are testing or being lazy.)<br>
    </p>
    <p>    --karl--<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/13/23 7:55 AM, Roberto Gaetano via
      At-Large wrote:<br>
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      <div class="">While I agree with Evan that most Internet users
        don’t know and don’t care about some less used TLDs - in the
        same way as most drivers and car buyers don’t know and don’t
        care about some less used car brands - I am missing something
        about the “problem" that started this thread, i.e.:</div>
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        <div class=""><b class=""><i class="">Developers of major pieces
              of internet software, including the world’s most-popular
              messaging app, may be relying on seriously outdated lists
              of top-level domains.</i></b></div>
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      <div class="">There is one single authoritative source of
        information, maintained by IANA, that is the root zone file. Why
        on earth should ICANN maintain a second one? This fancy tendency
        by developers (I can say that, as I have been in that business
        for decades) to rely on alternate sources of information and/or
        make incorrect assumptions (like assuming that TLDs are max 3
        chars long, except for ARPA) is the root cause of most of the
        problems.</div>
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      </div>
      <div class="">By the way, when we say “One world, one Internet” we
        implicitly condemn having alternate or secondary sources of
        information about the Internet components.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">Cheers,</div>
      <div class="">Roberto</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
        <div><br class="">
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            <div class="">On 13.09.2023, at 15:50, Evan Leibovitch via
              At-Large <<a
                href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
                class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
              wrote:</div>
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                <div class="gmail_default"
                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Can't
                  say that I'm surprised. Welcome to the totally
                  predictable consequences of ICANN's:</div>
                <ul class="">
                  <li class="gmail_default"
                    style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Insisting
                    that it's not a regulator</li>
                  <li class="gmail_default"
                    style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Making
                    "global" decisions without weight of international
                    treaty</li>
                  <li class="gmail_default"
                    style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Expanding
                    the gTLD space *well* beyond that which benefits
                    Internet users.</li>
                </ul>
                <div class="gmail_default"
                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">At-Large's
                  most useful activity is to document and publicize the
                  list of gTLDs unrecognized by the Android library, and
                  to encourage ICANN to engage with Android developers
                  to update the library.<br class="">
                </div>
                <div class="gmail_default"
                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br
                    class="">
                </div>
                <div class="gmail_default"
                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">It
                  should be telling that nobody has noticed this problem
                  that has existed since 2015, and that the news
                  appeared in an industry news site rather than in the
                  IT mainstream. That tells me that most Internet
                  end-users don't know and don't care about these other
                  domains.</div>
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                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br
                    class="">
                </div>
                <div class="gmail_default"
                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">There's
                  a lesson here to be learned.<br class="">
                </div>
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                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br
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                            <div style="text-align:center" class="">
                              <div style="text-align:left" class="">Evan
                                Leibovitch, <span
                                  style="font-size:12.8px" class="">Toronto
                                  Canada</span></div>
                              <div style="text-align:left" class=""><span
                                  style="font-size:12.8px" class="">@evanleibovitch
                                  / </span><span
                                  style="font-size:12.8px" class="">@el56</span></div>
                            </div>
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              <br class="">
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 12, 2023
                  at 10:43 AM Dev Anand Teelucksingh via At-Large <<a
                    href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
                  wrote:<br class="">
                </div>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                  <div dir="ltr" class="">"<b class="">Developers of
                      major pieces of internet software, including the
                      world’s most-popular messaging app, may be relying
                      on seriously outdated lists of top-level domains.</b>
                    <p class="">That’s the picture that seems to be
                      emerging from one new gTLD operator’s quest to
                      discover why WhatsApp doesn’t recognize its TLD,
                      and many others including major dot-brands, as
                      valid."</p>
                    ....When most social media apps detect the user has
                    inputted a URL or domain name, they automatically
                    “linkify” it so it can be easily clicked or tapped
                    without the need for copy/paste.<br class="">
                    <br class="">
                    But when Rami Schwartz of new gTLD .tube discovered
                    that .tube URLs sent via WhatsApp, said to have two
                    billion users, were not being linkified, despite the
                    TLD being delegated by ICANN almost eight years ago,
                    he set out to find out why.<br class="">
                    <br class="">
                    Schwartz compiled a spreadsheet (.xlsx) listing
                    which gTLDs are recognized by WhatsApp and which are
                    not and discovered a rough cut-off point in November
                    2015. TLDs delegated before then are linkified,
                    those delegated after were not......This means that,
                    for example, .microsoft domains linkify but .amazon
                    and .apple domains do not; .asia domains linkify but
                    .africa and .arab domains do not; .london works but
                    .abudhabi doesn’t. Even .verisign missed the
                    cut-off.<br class="">
                    <br class="">
                    If WhatsApp users include a “www.” or “<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://”">http://”</a> then
                    the app will linkify the domain, even if the
                    specified TLD does not exist.<br class="">
                    <br class="">
                    .....During the course of <a
href="https://github.com/publicsuffix/list/issues/1807" rel="noopener"
                      target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">a
                      discussion</a> on the web site of the Public
                    Suffix List — which maintains an open-source list of
                    all TLDs and the levels at which names may be
                    registered — it was discovered that the problem may
                    be deeper rooted than the WhatsApp app.
                    <p class="">It turns out <a
href="https://cs.android.com/android/platform/superproject/main/+/main:frameworks/base/core/java/android/util/Patterns.java;l=114"
                        rel="noopener" target="_blank" class=""
                        moz-do-not-send="true">a library in the Android
                        operating system</a> contains a hard-coded list
                      of valid TLDs which hasn’t been updated since
                      November 24, 2015" </p>
                    Read full article : <br class="">
                    <div class=""><a
href="https://domainincite.com/29054-is-this-why-whatsapp-hates-some-tlds-but-not-others"
                        target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://domainincite.com/29054-is-this-why-whatsapp-hates-some-tlds-but-not-others</a></div>
                    <div class=""><br class="">
                      <br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div class="">Regards,<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                    </div>
                    <div class="">Dev Anand Teelucksingh<br class="">
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