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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I am with Vanda on
this one. I was on the board of CIRA, which manages the .ca
domain name. CEO advises the board, attends all meetings, but
does not vote. I think it would be a governance improvement if
this was corrected at ICANN when the next contract comes around.
This has nothing to do with Goran or his tenure. I think it is
just a better model. As Vanda says, he might even agree. What is
being gained here from the potential conflict of interest?<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-07-28 8:50 a.m., Vanda
Scartezini via At-Large wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Hi
all, I am in several not for profit boards and In none of
them the CEO is a vote member. The CEO participate ex oficio
– but not vote, as Karl said, some times the CEO can be put
in an embarrassing situation which is not a good governance
at all. See no reason to change this even in the contract. I
do not believe Goran will be against it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">This
is just good governance ( good practice)</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">At-Large
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a> on behalf
of Alan Greenberg via At-Large
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 27 July 2022 15:07<br>
<b>To: </b>Roberto Gaetano
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"><roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com></a>, Karl Auerbach
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karl@cavebear.com"><karl@cavebear.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>At Large
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] Voting seat for CEO Was:
Re: ICANN75: Mandatory Funded Traveler Registration for
Roberto Gaetano<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Roberto, the
excuse of it being in the CEO contract is twaddle! If that
was accepted by Board members, it is shameful. If the change
is warranted (and good) - as I believe it was and is, even
if the contract was inviolate, the Bylaws could be written
with a transition clause saying it applied to future CEOs.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
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At 2022-07-27 05:41 AM, Roberto Gaetano via At-Large wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Karl, <br>
<br>
Following on your “off-topic” (I changed the subject
line) I wold like to add a bit of history.<br>
<br>
You wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">A lot of our BWG proposals are still
quite relevant, for instance, not putting the
President/CEO into a seat on the board of directors ….</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
When I was chairing the Board Review WG, I argued against
having the CEO as a voting member rather than ex-officio
observer. Besides any governance model, having to vote on
issues that he would have been called to execute could put
the CEO in an embarrassing position: what if he voted
against, and the motion passed? This was, IMHO, not just a
theoretical exercise, but something that could really
happen on politically sensitive issues, like the .xxx
delegation (in that case, Paul abstained, and the
application was rejected by one or two votes).<br>
<br>
My approach was considered, but the Chair argued that for
the current CEO the provision was built in the contract,
and could not be changed, but this would have been taken
into account for the next CEO. Then I left the Board, and
lost track of the later events, but it looks that the
situation still remains unchanged.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Roberto<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On
26.07.2022, at 21:39, Karl Auerbach via At-Large <<a
href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
I'm going to be somewhat diverging from the main
topic....<br>
On 7/26/22 8:14 AM, Marita Moll wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">And so it is with ICANN. It exists
-- a unique multistakeholder governance system. Lots
of things wrong with it. But it exists. So, for those
who want to, they can keep working at it, keep looking
for improvement, keep challenging the system.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">I've long been in opposition to the
"stakeholder" model of governance. I was horrified when
I first saw it just after Jon Postel died</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">, and became more horrified
watching Joe Sims of Jones Day ramming it down our
collective throats. In the Boston Working Group
proposal for "NewCo" we tried to mitigate some of the
worst aspects.<br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">See <a
href="https://cavebear.com/archive/bwg/"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://cavebear.com/archive/bwg/</a> for the Boston
Working Group proposals.<br>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">A lot of our BWG proposals are still
quite relevant, for instance, not putting the
President/CEO into a seat on the board of directors and
moving some ICANN powers into the Articles of
Incorporation and requiring exercise of those powers to
be approved by more than merely the board (in those days
that larger body could have been "the members" but ICANN
sank that ship long ago - but it can be, and ought to
be, re-floated.)<br>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">My most recent piece in opposition to
stakeholder based systems may be found here:<br>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Democracy Versus Stakeholderism -
<a
href="https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/stakeholder_sock_puppet/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/stakeholder_sock_puppet/</a><br>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> --karl--<br>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
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