<div dir="auto">Hi Vanda,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">On matters like this "good practice or good governance" as you put it is really relative in this context. I liken ICANN Board to that of other RIR and most of the RIR CEO (or it's equivalent) seat on their board with voting rights....and they seem to function well thus far. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Just to be clear am indifferent on whether the CEO has a voting right or not as I don't believe it's harmful in any way. Hypothetically, if the CEO has no vote and if a resolution goes a different route than he expects, it's normal for the CEO to be disappointed (or embarrassed as you put it) and it's same with how any other Board member should feel if such happens as well.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Finally if something is broken I suggest it may be good to look elsewhere other than the CEO vote otherwise what happened to the slogan "if it's not broken don't fix it"</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Sent from my mobile<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>Every word has consequences.<br>Every silence does too!</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, 13:51 Vanda Scartezini via At-Large, <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi all, I am in several not for profit boards and In none of them the CEO is a vote member. The CEO participate ex oficio – but not vote, as Karl said, some times the CEO can be put in an embarrassing
situation which is not a good governance at all. See no reason to change this even in the contract. I do not believe Goran will be against it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">This is just good governance ( good practice)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> on behalf of Alan Greenberg via At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 27 July 2022 15:07<br>
<b>To: </b>Roberto Gaetano <<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>>, Karl Auerbach <<a href="mailto:karl@cavebear.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">karl@cavebear.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>At Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] Voting seat for CEO Was: Re: ICANN75: Mandatory Funded Traveler Registration for Roberto Gaetano<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Roberto, the excuse of it being in the CEO contract is twaddle! If that was accepted by Board members, it is shameful. If the change is warranted (and good) - as I believe it was and is, even if the contract
was inviolate, the Bylaws could be written with a transition clause saying it applied to future CEOs.<br>
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Alan<br>
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At 2022-07-27 05:41 AM, Roberto Gaetano via At-Large wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Karl, <br>
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Following on your “off-topic†(I changed the subject line) I wold like to add a bit of history.<br>
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You wrote:<br>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">A lot of our BWG proposals are still quite relevant, for instance, not putting the President/CEO into a seat on the board of directors ….</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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When I was chairing the Board Review WG, I argued against having the CEO as a voting member rather than ex-officio observer. Besides any governance model, having to vote on issues that he would have been called to execute could put the CEO in an embarrassing
position: what if he voted against, and the motion passed? This was, IMHO, not just a theoretical exercise, but something that could really happen on politically sensitive issues, like the .xxx delegation (in that case, Paul abstained, and the application
was rejected by one or two votes).<br>
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My approach was considered, but the Chair argued that for the current CEO the provision was built in the contract, and could not be changed, but this would have been taken into account for the next CEO. Then I left the Board, and lost track of the later events,
but it looks that the situation still remains unchanged.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Roberto<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On 26.07.2022, at 21:39, Karl Auerbach via At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"> at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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I'm going to be somewhat diverging from the main topic....<br>
On 7/26/22 8:14 AM, Marita Moll wrote:<br>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And so it is with ICANN. It exists -- a unique multistakeholder governance system. Lots of things wrong with it. But it exists. So, for those who want to, they can keep working at it,
keep looking for improvement, keep challenging the system.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I've long been in opposition to the "stakeholder" model of governance. I was horrified when I first saw it just after Jon Postel died</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">, and became
more horrified watching Joe Sims of Jones Day ramming it down our collective throats. In the Boston Working Group proposal for "NewCo" we tried to mitigate some of the worst aspects.<br>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">See <a href="https://cavebear.com/archive/bwg/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
https://cavebear.com/archive/bwg/</a> for the Boston Working Group proposals.<br>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">A lot of our BWG proposals are still quite relevant, for instance, not putting the President/CEO into a seat on the board of directors and moving some ICANN powers into the Articles of
Incorporation and requiring exercise of those powers to be approved by more than merely the board (in those days that larger body could have been "the members" but ICANN sank that ship long ago - but it can be, and ought to be, re-floated.)<br>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">My most recent piece in opposition to stakeholder based systems may be found here:<br>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Democracy Versus Stakeholderism -
<a href="https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/stakeholder_sock_puppet/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/stakeholder_sock_puppet/</a><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> --karl--<br>
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