<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Glan <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You and Roberto are quite correct. No self respecting Court would let ICANN get away with negligence. It’s getting the matter to a Court that worries me. If ICANN simply chooses to deny liability, it would be an expensive and time consuming proposition to get them into a court - or even mediation. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maybe - at the least - express concern to ICANN???</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Holly</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 28, 2022, at 6:53 AM, Glenn McKnight via At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" class="">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi <div class="">As pointed out that ICANN has always been super cautious and legalistic( sometimes to a fault) curious if other events IETF, ARIN etc has adopted such 'protect my ass" approach to an event. On the other hand, waivers doesn't protect those that perpetuate negligence, you can't do blanket waivers as Roberto indicated. </div><div class=""><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Glenn McKnight, MA </div><div class="">Virtual School of Internet Governance </div>Chief Information Officer<div class=""><a href="http://www.virtualsig.org/" target="_blank" class="">www.virtualsig.org</a> </div><div class=""><b class="">YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION </b></div><div class=""><b class="">Mobile 437-237-4655</b></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div><img src="https://mail-info-ext.com/pixel/zji1Z2W307CgS03qSno9?rid=zji1Z2W307CgS03qSno9" width="1" height="1" border="0" class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 at 16:38, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro via At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" class="">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">The important thing to note is that the US is a litigious nation and it is within ICANN's purview to create waiver forms for its events otherwise it would not be able to host a physical event. For those who don't like it, they can participate virtually or wear immunity suits.....lol</div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:33 PM Roberto Gaetano via At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" class="">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="">This means to me that I acknowledge that ICANN has the right to be negligent. I have to confess that sometimes in the past I have thought that this was ICANN’s approach, but it is the first time that I see it in writing.</div>
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<div class="">I wonder whether this is a sort of friendly advice to participate online and avoid showing up in person in the Hague.</div>
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<div class="">On 27.04.2022, at 22:09, Marita Moll via At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" class="">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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Dear colleagues. If you are planning to attend ICANN74, please note that you will be required to sign a very broadly worded waiver that goes well beyond any issues related to the pandemic. You can read the waiver here:
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</p><p class="">Several registrars have asked that this requirement be dropped <a href="https://domainincite.com/27793-icanns-covid-19-waiver-formally-appealed" target="_blank" class="">
https://domainincite.com/27793-icanns-covid-19-waiver-formally-appealed</a>. <br class="">
</p><p class="">Michele Neylon, Managing Director of Blacknight Solutions, seeking legal advice on behalf of himself and staff, was advised that neither he nor his staff should sign a waiver granting ICANN blanket exclusion of liability.
<a href="https://blacknight.blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/blacknight-ICANN-April-2022-Hague-waiver.pdf" target="_blank" class="">
<font color="#000080" class=""><span lang="zxx" class=""><u class="">https://blacknight.blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/blacknight-ICANN-April-2022-Hague-waiver.pdf</u></span></font></a> .</p><p class="">It is an unsettling way to begin what was looking like a new beginning after so many hours at virtual public meetings. I have attended more public meetings in my life than I could ever count, and have never been asked to sign such an extensive
waiver. I would be interested to know if others have ever encountered this.</p><p class="">Marita Moll, ALAC rep. for NARALO<br class="">
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