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<p>HI Natalia,</p>
<p>Thanks for your discussion, as Andrei said if we are closing off
avenues for discussion and for Internet access to Russia how will
the common folks get the real news. I think it is a bad idea for
all these companies to leave, as it closes off the possibility for
ordinary Russians to get the real news and the truth. We should be
trying to increase the amount of real news that is going in, so
the people are able to hear the truth. <br>
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<p>In this I agree with Andrei and with ISOC This formula is very
simple. The Internet is the only media which delivers real
information across the borders. Disconnecting people from the
Internet is harmful, which is why ISOC, Access Now and others
suggest it not be done. What countries should be doing is instead
putting their efforts into getting international organizations to
limit the types of leadership positions that Russia can hold in
any International organization. I think if there was an effort to
limit or restrict these positions, that would have an impact on
the Government and not hurt the common folks or the open-minded
folks. However, I do not see this happening.</p>
<p>Wishing that everyone is safe and that the war is over, and we
can return to working together to help others. As Natalia
writes--At-Large is supposed to ve uniting other from all over the
world by common work to present and protect the end users
interests and maybe not the right place for such discussions?</p>
<p>Looking forward to better times</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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As I see one of our goals is to increase our potential and our
ranks with individual members and ALSs, who have significantly
thinned and become even more silent during the pandemic time. <br>
Now this catastrophe (I can't find any other words, there is a
huge pain inside only) apart from all the horrors creates a
precedent of isolation and exclusion from the agenda of the
active core of representatives of Russia (organizations and
individuals). <br>
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I think it is necessary to clarify for ourselves - is At-Large a
right place for such initiatives and for this fight against the
part of the community? Do we remember that At-Large unites
people from all over the world by common work to present and
protect the end users interests and maybe not the right place
for such discussions? +1 to Maureen, Tijani, Alan Levin and
others respected friends and colleagues.<br>
Put other nations and countries in the place of the words
"Russian" or "Russia" in your emails mentally. Do you think it
is possible to phase out other nations and countries from the
agenda and the Internet landscape? Or is it a target case?<br>
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Separately, I would like to note that respected members of the
discussion who advocate the exclusion of the .RU from the
register of TLD and the exclusion of Russians from Internet
interaction act in exceptional harmony with those against whom
they are fighting here. <br>
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It looks to me in the near future (not now) we should care for
our further abilities to work together within the framework of
the At-Large (members, ALSes, partners). Officially we don't see
any problems. To be honest we are not sure and we`ll definitely
see it definitely. <br>
<br>
I would like to initiate this dialogue or at least the
intentions. We probably should have proper communication inside
and outside the ICANN community. Maybe At-Large becomes the an
absolutely unique where people with different cultural and
mental codes are united in work, interaction and friendship and
stop xenophobia, racism, extremism. Maybe it will be the only
one space like this.<br>
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Via this email I bring the most sincere compassion to our
members and people from Ukraine and other countries who are
affected. <br>
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Please take care of yourself.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">пн, 14 мар. 2022 г. в 16:54,
Amrita Choudhury via At-Large <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>+1 Tijani and completely agree
with Maureen’s statement.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Regards,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Amrita</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> At-Large <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tijani BEN JEMAA via At-Large<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 March 2022 14:03<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [At-Large] Ukraine, .RU, and
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122)">Thank
you Maureen for your clear message. You are speaking
for the ICANN At-Large community and I’m one of them.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 14 mars 2022 à 12:26 AM,
Maureen Hilyard via At-Large <<a
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a écrit :</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The majority of our
At-Large members continue to stand by our
remit, and support the ISOC and ICANN
calls to minimise any risk to the
continued use of the internet by Internet
end-users universally regardless of the
politics of their countries. This is not
"doing nothing".</p>
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1:04 pm Evan Leibovitch via At-Large,
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2022 at 2:12 PM Antony Van Couvering
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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s
appears that there is no
appetite within this community
to block .ru, or to do
something substantive to help
Ukraine in its hour of need,
or even to say something about
it. Finally, something that
unites a normally fractious
group. </p>
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style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">It's
worse than that. ICANN won't
even take the very minor
diplomatic steps taken
globally in every other sector
that, while not cutting .RU
out of the root, would still
help to enforce an isolation
that in aggregate may help
bring the country to change
its path. ICANN could deny
registration of Russian
nationals to ICANN meetings or
participation in ongoing
policy activities, or even
take the miniscule step of
refusing to subsidize their
travel. Hell, it still won't
take action on the rogue .SU
domain after all these years.
And ALAC is quite fine with
such inaction, it's had plenty
of time to consider options to
support community isolation
while still keeping the data
flowing.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">But
here, in the mindset of all or
nothing, both ICANN and ALAC
have actively chosen nothing.
Pathetic.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Of
course there is one more
scenario that nobody here will
like. As I like to remind
people, there is no
international treaty governing
ICANN and the IANA
"transition" was bullshit, so
ICANN remains subject to US
(and as we saw in the case of
.ORG, California) authority.
It would not surprise me at
all if forcing ICANN to cut
off Russia remains a
back-pocket option of the US
State Department as an
enhanced sanction (now that
they've already cut off
Russian caviar). ICANN's
refusal to do ANYTHING only
encourages and legitimizes
such action, but its low
external respect guarantees
that nobody outside the bubble
will fight for it.</span></p>
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