<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">It’s appears that there is no appetite within this community to block .ru, or to do something substantive to help Ukraine in its hour of need, or even to say something about it. Finally, something that unites a normally fractious group. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I would challenge people to come up with something else that would hurt Putin’s regime and/or help Ukraine, or at the very least advance a single argument that isn’t based on the difficulty of navigating bureaucracies. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">If not even that, how about a statement condemning Putin’s invasion? Or is that too a bridge too far?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Either internet governance is meaningful and important in everyday life, and therefore its leaders and institutions must have a position on big events that affect the internet, or it is irrelevant and after decades we should admit that our governance structures cannot meet the moment and need to be reformed. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">As for Andrew Sullivan’s statement as head of ISOC, it is a very good summary of the arguments against blocking .RU. Effectively, he is saying that the internet is and must remain apolitical and serve as a connecting force and not a divisive one. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">That sounds good and right on the face of it, but if that’s the case, I have a few questions:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">- where is ISOC’s statement on Putin dismantling free and open internet within Russia?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">- where is ISOC’s statement on Putin’s ongoing violent effort to dismantle the free and open internet in Ukraine?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Surely these actual, real, and effective actions to harm the internet deserve as much of a reaction than the hypothetical harm of a hypothetical action. I am struck by the tender concern that Russian citizens should have unfettered internet while Ukrainian users huddling in bomb shelters without internet access (or power, or food) are asked to cheer the principle of universal access. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">My view remains that neutrality in the face of mass murder is not neutral. These are extraordinary times, yet neither ICANN nor ISOC nor indeed any internet governance institution that I’m aware of — and I would be glad to stand corrected — can muster the courage to forcefully condemn, in a stand-alone statement, Putin’s attempt not only to eradicate Ukrainians’ free access to the internet but all the rest of their human rights as well. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">As a group, internet governance experts have an opportunity to raise their voice and demonstrate that a murderous invading regime cannot be normalized by continuing business as usual. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">So far, I have heard nothing but crickets. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Mar 13, 2022, at 07:11, Javier Rua via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">-Thanks for link @Holly. <br><br><div dir="ltr">Javier Rúa-Jovet<div><br></div><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">+1-787-396-6511</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">twitter: @javrua</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">skype: javier.rua1</span></div><div><font color="#000000" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua</a> </font></div><div><br></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Mar 13, 2022, at 1:07 AM, Holly Raiche via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Folks<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please read the statement from the ISOC CEO - a very well argued statement about why cutting off .ru is not the answer, regardless of how much we all deplored the actions Russia has taken</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Holly</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/why-the-world-must-resist-calls-to-undermine-the-internet/" class="">https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/why-the-world-must-resist-calls-to-undermine-the-internet/</a><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 12, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Roberto Gaetano via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Unfortunately, it is not an international law issue, otherwise it would be solved without any responsibility by ICANN - just follow the order of the judge.
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<div class="">The problem lies elsewhere, and is whether ICANN is or not an independent authority that can be trusted for following basic principles and apply them evenly in all cases.</div>
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<div class="">If ICANN decides to remove .ru from the root, based on a request by Ukraine (who, by the way, is no longer insisting in asking this, maybe because they have understood the unintended consequences) I don’t see how it could resist the request of
removing the ccTLDs of what the US consider “rogue” countries, like Iran, Cuba, and others.</div>
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<div class="">And this besides all what has been said at length in this and other lists, like that it will not make .ru disappear, just invite operators to have their own copy of the root.</div>
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<div class="">This said, there are other actions that ICANN can take, but after having decided whether it will keep its reputation of being a reliable steward for the Internet infrastructure in the global interest or indulge in actions that, while not achieving
any practical result, will be emotionally satisfying.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">It is an international law issue and the main text for conflicts and sovereignty is the UN Charta and its practice.
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">The mealy-mouthed opposition to Ukraine’s request to block .RU has exercised me so much that I called up Keith Teare to complain. Keith is a one-time candidate for ICANN CEO, a former board member of Minds + Machines,
founder of Real Names and other companies, and a very smart guy with a good grasp of history and the internet.
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<div class="">Keith doesn’t really agree with my position, so he suggested that we record a conversation and talk it out. To me, it turned out well (pardon my video quality. </div>
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<div class="">For those who’d like to hear a thorough discussion of the issue, here it is:</div>
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<div class="">Summary — all the reasons put forward as to why ICANN can’t do anything — we go through them all — are bullshit.</div>
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