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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/01/22 2:35 am, Vanda Scartezini
via At-Large wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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interested friends.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Gothic",sans-serif">I totally agree with Roberto that
was irrelevant for us – AT Large focused members – say
anything about person and not the process. </span></p>
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<p>Vanda</p>
<p>Two things were said:</p>
<p>(1) I think there is a conflict of interest, and therefore the
concerned party should step down.</p>
<p>(2) the COI statement is prima facie inappropriate
(substantiating matter was provided that I dont think has been
countered till now).</p>
<p>I understand that you think that these are personal and not
process-related statements, right?<br>
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<p>In that case, what I have to say is this: If you indeed want to
run the (supposedly) public interest communities around an
important global public interest governance function as they were
some collegial cocktail parties, then it is entirely your choice.
But, then, God save this system -- it is only headed down and
downer, as we have seen it go over the years. It is these
attitudes responsible for the system's or organization's decay (at
least in the eyes of the outsiders).... Now, you are welcome to
call even this is a personal and not process-related statement. Be
my guest! <br>
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<p>I have enough knowledge an experience n how external public
interest vigil is kept on public governance systems and bodies...
But you need not ask me. If you only care, there is a lot of
material out there accessible through search engines. <br>
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<p>In fact, if I were to press hard, your such 'holding my nose'
statements are rather personal statements against me -- as someone
doing some nefarious work, worthy of collective condemnation --
when i am only doing a genuine public interest work, which indeed
all other, more present here, including yourself, should be
doing... <br>
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<p>parminder <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a> on behalf
of Sebastien Bachollet via At-Large
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 16:14<br>
<b>To: </b>Roberto Gaetano
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"><roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>At Large
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] Separate issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Sorry it was
send only to Roberto<br>
Here it is<br>
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+1<br>
I must add that regarding A&T the ATRT3 final report is
worth reading <br>
And hopefully acting soon<br>
Happy new year to all<br>
<br>
Sébastien Bachollet <br>
Envoyé de mon iPhone<br>
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> Le 4 janv. 2022 à 09:07, Roberto Gaetano via At-Large
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a> a écrit :<br>
> <br>
> Hi all<br>
> <br>
> IMHO, we have separate issues that we might want to
keep separated.<br>
> <br>
> The first issue is about the original point Jeff is
making, about whether there is a problem about whether his
reconsideration request has been properly dealt with and/or
there has been a retaliation or other consequences. This is
a question about the process, not the person, and I am
extremely surprised that it spawned consideration about the
person. It is by and large irrelevant whether Jeff has a
conflict of interest, ALAC should look a the process itself
and if there has been some misbehaviour - or even a mistaken
in the process - it should act regardless what role the
claimant has and not wait until the same issue hits a person
that does not have any involvement with the contracted
parties.<br>
> <br>
> The second issue is about the conflict of interest.
Here as well we must abstract from the specific case and ask
whether the CoI policy is sound or need modification. IANAL,
but it looks to me that the procedure followed by Jeff is
the correct one as related to his nomination: he has
declared his potential conflict at application time,
correctly omitting the name of the TLD he might get involved
in. Sure, he should have updated his SOI more promptly.
OTOH, I doubt that any subscriber to this mailing list does
not know the involvement of Jeff with the contracted
parties. So, the question is whether the CoI policy and the
management (and actualisation) of SOIs are sound or need
revision, and that is again something that is orthogonal to
the practical case.<br>
> <br>
> Last but not least, the Multi-Stakeholder Model. I am
not a theorist, so my opinion is not authoritative, but I
personally believe that a process in which all potential
stakeholders are involved guarantees better - and more
stable - results than a process in which some forces are
prevailing over others. I can discuss whether ICANN applies
it correctly, whether it is necessary to improve it to make
it “global” (i.e. independent from geopolitics) and “equal”
(i.e. with a balanced power of the stakeholders), but I
firmly believe that this is the best answer - surely
superior to the classical multilateral approach, that gives
the ultimate power to agreement by the governments. I agree
that some, but not all, the UN organisations have introduced
some perfume of involvement by other stakeholder types,
whether business, civil society, or other, but we cannot
forget that the ultimate power of the UN system resides in
the UNGA, where the vote is cast by the governments only.<br>
> <br>
> Just an additional note about the last point, related
to ICANN’s model. I personally believe that nowadays the
table is tilted to favour contracted parties, and the fact
that some business interests are linked to contracted
parties makes the matter even worse, but I also believe that
a sort of people’s tribunal whether it is the users - or
even generally the non-contracted parties - the sole arbiter
of the behaviour of the contracted parties is a non-starter.
Of course, we should achieve better collaboration among
stakeholders while sometimes we have confrontation with
little effort to reach a compromise, but this only means to
me that the model has to be improved, not abandoned.<br>
> <br>
> Cheers, and Happy New Year<br>
> Roberto<br>
> <br>
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