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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/01/22 2:35 am, Vanda Scartezini
      via At-Large wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century
            Gothic",sans-serif" lang="PT-BR">Roberto & all
            interested friends.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century
            Gothic",sans-serif">I totally agree with Roberto that
            was irrelevant for us – AT Large focused members – say
            anything about person and not the process. </span></p>
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    <p>Vanda</p>
    <p>Two things were said:</p>
    <p>(1) I think there is a conflict of interest, and therefore the
      concerned party should step down.</p>
    <p>(2) the COI statement is prima facie inappropriate
      (substantiating matter was provided that I dont think has been
      countered till now).</p>
    <p>I understand that you think that these are personal and not
      process-related statements, right?<br>
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    <p>In that case, what I have to say is this: If you indeed want to
      run the (supposedly) public interest communities around an
      important global public interest governance function as they were
      some collegial cocktail parties, then it is entirely your choice.
      But, then, God save  this system -- it is only headed down and
      downer, as we have seen it go over the years. It is these
      attitudes responsible for the system's or organization's decay (at
      least in the eyes of the outsiders).... Now, you are welcome to
      call even this is a personal and not process-related statement. Be
      my guest! <br>
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    <p>I have enough knowledge an experience n how external public
      interest vigil is kept on public governance systems and bodies...
      But you need not ask me. If you only care, there is a lot of
      material out there accessible through search engines. <br>
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            on the exchange of messages. </span></p>
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    <p>In fact, if I were to press hard, your such 'holding my nose'
      statements are rather personal statements against me -- as someone
      doing some nefarious work, worthy of collective condemnation --
      when i am only doing a genuine public interest work, which indeed
      all other, more present here, including yourself, should be
      doing... <br>
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    <p>parminder <br>
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            read!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#009193" lang="PT-BR">Vanda
                  Scartezini</span></i></b><span
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                  style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#009193" lang="PT-BR">Polo
                  Consultores Associados</span></i></b><span
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                  style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#009193">Sorry for any
                  typos. <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">At-Large
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a> on behalf
              of Sebastien Bachollet via At-Large
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 16:14<br>
              <b>To: </b>Roberto Gaetano
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"><roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com></a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>At Large
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] Separate issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Sorry it was
            send only to Roberto<br>
            Here it is<br>
            <br>
            +1<br>
            I must add that regarding A&T the ATRT3 final report is
            worth reading <br>
            And hopefully acting soon<br>
            Happy new year to all<br>
            <br>
            Sébastien Bachollet <br>
            Envoyé de mon iPhone<br>
            <br>
            > Le 4 janv. 2022 à 09:07, Roberto Gaetano via At-Large
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a> a écrit :<br>
            > <br>
            > Hi all<br>
            > <br>
            > IMHO, we have separate issues that we might want to
            keep separated.<br>
            > <br>
            > The first issue is about the original point Jeff is
            making, about whether there is a problem about whether his
            reconsideration request has been properly dealt with and/or
            there has been a retaliation or other consequences. This is
            a question about the process, not the person, and I am
            extremely surprised that it spawned consideration about the
            person. It is by and large irrelevant whether Jeff has a
            conflict of interest, ALAC should look a the process itself
            and if there has been some misbehaviour - or even a mistaken
            in the process - it should act regardless what role the
            claimant has and not wait until the same issue hits a person
            that does not have any involvement with the contracted
            parties.<br>
            > <br>
            > The second issue is about the conflict of interest.
            Here as well we must abstract from the specific case and ask
            whether the CoI policy is sound or need modification. IANAL,
            but it looks to me that the procedure followed by Jeff is
            the correct one as related to his nomination: he has
            declared his potential conflict at application time,
            correctly omitting the name of the TLD he might get involved
            in. Sure, he should have updated his SOI more promptly.
            OTOH, I doubt that any subscriber to this mailing list does
            not know the involvement of Jeff with the contracted
            parties. So, the question is whether the CoI policy and the
            management (and actualisation) of SOIs are sound or need
            revision, and that is again something that is orthogonal to
            the practical case.<br>
            > <br>
            > Last but not least, the Multi-Stakeholder Model. I am
            not a theorist, so my opinion is not authoritative, but I
            personally believe that a process in which all potential
            stakeholders are involved guarantees better - and more
            stable - results than a process in which some forces are
            prevailing over others. I can discuss whether ICANN applies
            it correctly, whether it is necessary to improve it to make
            it “global” (i.e. independent from geopolitics) and “equal”
            (i.e. with a balanced power of the stakeholders), but I
            firmly believe that this is the best answer - surely
            superior to the classical multilateral approach, that gives
            the ultimate power to agreement by the governments. I agree
            that some, but not all, the UN organisations have introduced
            some perfume of involvement by other stakeholder types,
            whether business, civil society, or other, but we cannot
            forget that the ultimate power of the UN system resides in
            the UNGA, where the vote is cast by the governments only.<br>
            > <br>
            > Just an additional note about the last point, related
            to ICANN’s model. I personally believe that nowadays the
            table is tilted to favour contracted parties, and the fact
            that some business interests are linked to contracted
            parties makes the matter even worse, but I also believe that
            a sort of people’s tribunal whether it is the users - or
            even generally the non-contracted parties - the sole arbiter
            of the behaviour of the contracted parties is a non-starter.
            Of course, we should achieve better collaboration among
            stakeholders while sometimes we have confrontation with
            little effort to reach a compromise, but this only means to
            me that the model has to be improved, not abandoned.<br>
            > <br>
            > Cheers, and Happy New Year<br>
            > Roberto<br>
            > <br>
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