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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/01/22 7:19 am, Jeff Neuman via
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<div dir="ltr">With all due respect Evan, I am not sure that
the comments of a few people on the list during a time
period when many are on vacation demonstrates the views of
the the At-Large or the ALAC at all. There is likely a
formal process to introduce the issue (as opposed to just on
a mailing list). And I would like to use the process to
raise the issue.<span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">If, as you contend, there is little interest,
then so be it. Then it never gets addressed. But you never
know until you start the process.<span></span><span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">And again with all due respect, one should
never give up on making the organization better even if you
are frustrated by our lack of success in the past. </div>
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<p>Yes, Jeff, Evan is trying to make the organization better --- by,
instead of focusing on a particular grievance (whatever its
merit), being concerned over larger, structural issues, like
conflict of interest -- in which issue btw you seem to have little
interest, and you present banal arguments for, like I work in
these ICANN positions voluntarily without any personal gain (when
whether this is true or the opposite is true is precisely under
the scanner)<br>
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<p>As for your response to my email expressing non confidence in
your continuing with your ICANN positions owing to clear conflict
of interest, i havent responded bec a response will require
considerable time to dig into the documents you shared, and
others, and present a fool-proof case. I think it is the job of
others here, the regular 'community' to sift and see through your
conflict of interest statements, that are prima facie so
inappropriate, That is why public CoI statements are made, for the
public, esp the closely involved community to inspect it, and if
needed comment on it . But if people in these communities are more
interested in mutual back-patting, and taking precaution that when
the time comes it is not they who are 'exposed', then good luck to
all. The organization cannot become better -- it is doomed ... <br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Giving up just doesn’t seem like the right
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<div dir="ltr">Sincerely,</div>
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face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Evan
Leibovitch <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:evan@telly.org"><evan@telly.org></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 3, 2022 6:42:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeff Neuman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com"><jeff@jjnsolutions.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Javier Rua <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:javrua@gmail.com"><javrua@gmail.com></a>; Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond via At-Large
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Not my circus, not my monkeys (Was Re:
ACCOUNTABILITY Restart)</font>
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Hi Jeff,<br>
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You've asked. Nobody's shown interest. OTOH, people have
been having a much better time with the tangents this
topic has grown. However ... While I can't speak for any
other readers here, my response to your repeated demand
for attention is one of enthusiastic indifference.<br>
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You don't appear to have convinced anyone that ALAC ought
to fight your battles. Accountability issues have plagued
ICANN for decades, yet you only come here when they impact
one of your clients.<br>
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IMO, if ALAC is to address accountability, it needs to be
systemic and also address ICANN's massive
conflict-of-interest problem. I had a lot more to say
about why this request bears ignoring, but I deleted it.
Just not worth the effort.
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17:28, Jeff Neuman <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Ok, all this has been a great
discussion on Internet Governance theory, but can
we bring this back to the subject at hand with
respect to accountability and what practical steps
we can take to address the accountability issues.
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