<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Thanks, Marita. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">This is exactly the kind of previous effort that will help this effort to achieve maximum benefit.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Evan Leibovitch, <span style="font-size:12.8px">Toronto Canada</span></div><div style="text-align:left"><span style="font-size:12.8px">@evanleibovitch / </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">@el56</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 15:24, Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The Canadian Internet
Registration Authority (CIRA) which operates the .ca domain
name does occasional outreach exercises to calibrate their
community investment program. The link below goes to such a
recent survey which went out to recipients of this grant. The
description of this survey group come pretty close to the end
users we are looking for. Maybe we could take some guidance from
this:<br>
</font></p>
<p><a href="https://www.cira.ca/resources/state-internet/report/gap-between-us-perspectives-building-a-better-online-canada" target="_blank"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">https://www.cira.ca/resources/state-internet/report/gap-between-us-perspectives-building-a-better-online-canada</font></a></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Montserrat,HelveticaNeue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:20px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:0.4px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">In January and February 2018, CIRA
reached out to organizations across Canada through a survey,
phone interviews and video interviews to help identify key
issues, needs and funding gaps with respect to internet
infrastructure, digital access, digital literacy and funding
gaps. In particular, CIRA sought out grassroots organizations
and individuals working in and around Canada’s internet,
including not-for-profits, charities, academics and small
internet service providers. The survey CIRA shared with
organizations in Canada sought to learn more about their
perspectives, experiences and challenges. Follow-up interviews
were conducted with some participants. <br>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Montserrat,HelveticaNeue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:20px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:0.4px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">Marita</span></p>
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<div>On 5/12/2021 2:34 PM, Evan Leibovitch
via At-Large wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I really,
REALLY, encourage people to read the actual funding request
before seeing the word "poll" and "At-Large" together and
jumping to conclusions.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">The
request is <b>NOT</b> for a survey of RALOs or ALSs or anyone
else in the existing ICANN community. This request is for a
form of R&D never before done by ALAC.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">It is
explicitly designed to avoid the usual channels that have
already been done, and to talk to the rest of the world
outside the ICANN bubble -- the end-users that ALAC is
bylaw-bound to speak for. We need to hear from people who have
never even heard the terms "ICANN" or "DNS" or "Internet
domain" -- let alone know what they are -- yet are deeply
impacted by what goes on here. We don't need them to join an
ALS or even care about ICANN, but we do need to know their
opinions of how DNS policies and practises affect their use
and trust of the Internet.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">The
funding request identifies the flaws in surveys that have been
done to date, and ideally would ask questions of random
samples of people <b>everywhere</b>. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">In these
cases the cost of the survey is very much determined by how
spread it is. Given the amount of the funding at play we can't
come close to "everywhere" so we need to work on what limited
(but still random) scope will best provide useful analysis.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">If anyone
here is aware of any studies such as Vanda suggests that could
help this effort, now is the time to identify them.<br>
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<div style="text-align:left">Evan Leibovitch, <span style="font-size:12.8px">Toronto Canada</span></div>
<div style="text-align:left"><span style="font-size:12.8px">@evanleibovitch / </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">@el56</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 12:49,
Vanda Scartezini via At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanking to Leon to embrace
such effort, I am the one encouraging this survey in
all regions, worldwide survey. The cost of survey is
not how spread it is, regional or universal to collect
the data, but to build the right questions, analyze
the answers and then present the statistically
relevant data with a large annex with the methodology
used for such analysis.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>And yes, depending on the
data there are several studies we could use, or even
just comparing with data we collect.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Ralos can be used to spread
the survey inside their regions.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hope we can do such survey.
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)">Vanda
Scartezini</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)" lang="PT-BR">Polo Consultores Associados</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black" lang="PT-BR"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)" lang="PT-BR">Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black" lang="PT-BR"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)" lang="PT-BR">01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black" lang="PT-BR"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)">Land
Line: +55 11 3266.6253</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)">Mobile:
+ 55 11 98181.1464 </span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)">Sorry
for any typos. </span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">At-Large
<<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
on behalf of 'At-Large Worldwide' <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 13:21<br>
<b>To: </b>Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank">evan@telly.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank">greg@isoc-ny.org</a>>,
'At-Large Worldwide' <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding
Request FY22-05</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">Thanks
Evan. Just confirming that I am following the discussion
and that the project will have my support. I will try to
encourage other Board colleagues to do the same.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">Kind
regards,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">León</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">El
11 may 2021, a las 10:05, Evan Leibovitch via
At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
escribió:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">Does a
global survey is more expensive in
terms of bandwidth costs than a
regional pilot?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Really?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Is
"Does it cost more to do a global
survey than a regional one?" a
useful question?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I
would especially like to hear from
those who helped support Jonathan in
identifying the problem and making
the original request. Responding
that we need to have a strategic
approach to determining what we want
to learn from this effort, and then
conducting the research based on
that strategy, is rather stating the
obvious at this point.
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">The
proposal is not final; it still
needs to be approved by the Board. I
encourage Leon and Avri to support,
and even advocate this when it comes
on their agenda. IMO this proposal
is more than just a funded project;
its approval would be an
unprecedented level of confidence in
At-Large's ability to engage in its
own research, ask its own questions,
and perform its own analysis.
Personally I have always felt that
this is the only form of "outreach"
that actually helps ALAC to perform
its bylaw mandate. If granted it
will be vital to deliver something
useful, even if limited in scope to
accommodate the resources available.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">To
everyone who is interested in
contributing meaningfully to this
effort -- assuming it is approved --
please start giving some thought to
the strategy of what we want from
this. Once there is consensus on
that I think the questions will flow
naturally.</span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Also
consider that, depending on what we
want from this effort, some of the
raw research may already exist and
be available for purchase. We're not
the only ones who want to know the
utility, safety and reliability of
methods of how the public finds
content and services on the
Internet.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-
Evan</span></p>
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