<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Thanks, Marita. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">This is exactly the kind of previous effort that will help this effort to achieve maximum benefit.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Evan Leibovitch, <span style="font-size:12.8px">Toronto Canada</span></div><div style="text-align:left"><span style="font-size:12.8px">@evanleibovitch / </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">@el56</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 15:24, Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The Canadian Internet
        Registration Authority (CIRA)  which operates the .ca domain
        name does occasional outreach exercises to calibrate their
        community investment program. The link below goes to such a
        recent survey which went out to  recipients of this grant. The
        description of this survey group come pretty close to the end
        users we are looking for. Maybe we could take some guidance from
        this:<br>
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    <p><a href="https://www.cira.ca/resources/state-internet/report/gap-between-us-perspectives-building-a-better-online-canada" target="_blank"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">https://www.cira.ca/resources/state-internet/report/gap-between-us-perspectives-building-a-better-online-canada</font></a></p>
    <p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Montserrat,HelveticaNeue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:20px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:0.4px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">In January and February 2018, CIRA
        reached out to organizations across Canada through a survey,
        phone interviews and video interviews to help identify key
        issues, needs and funding gaps with respect to internet
        infrastructure, digital access, digital literacy and funding
        gaps. In particular, CIRA sought out grassroots organizations
        and individuals working in and around Canada’s internet,
        including not-for-profits, charities, academics and small
        internet service providers. The survey CIRA shared with
        organizations in Canada sought to learn more about their
        perspectives, experiences and challenges. Follow-up interviews
        were conducted with some participants. <br>
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    <p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Montserrat,HelveticaNeue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:20px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:0.4px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">Marita</span></p>
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    <div>On 5/12/2021 2:34 PM, Evan Leibovitch
      via At-Large wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I really,
          REALLY, encourage people to read the actual funding request
          before seeing the word "poll" and "At-Large" together and
          jumping to conclusions.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">The
          request is <b>NOT</b> for a survey of RALOs or ALSs or anyone
          else in the existing ICANN community. This request is for a
          form of R&D never before done by ALAC.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">It is
          explicitly designed to avoid the usual channels that have
          already been done, and to talk to the rest of the world
          outside the ICANN bubble -- the end-users that ALAC is
          bylaw-bound to speak for. We need to hear from people who have
          never even heard the terms "ICANN" or "DNS" or "Internet
          domain" -- let alone know what they are -- yet are deeply
          impacted by what goes on here. We don't need them to join an
          ALS or even care about ICANN, but we do need to know their
          opinions of how DNS policies and practises affect their use
          and trust of the Internet.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">The
          funding request identifies the flaws in surveys that have been
          done to date, and ideally would ask questions of random
          samples of people <b>everywhere</b>. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">In these
          cases the cost of the survey is very much determined by how
          spread it is. Given the amount of the funding at play we can't
          come close to "everywhere" so we need to work on what limited
          (but still random) scope will best provide useful analysis.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">If anyone
          here is aware of any studies such as Vanda suggests that could
          help this effort, now is the time to identify them.<br>
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                      <div style="text-align:left">Evan Leibovitch, <span style="font-size:12.8px">Toronto Canada</span></div>
                      <div style="text-align:left"><span style="font-size:12.8px">@evanleibovitch / </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">@el56</span></div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 12:49,
          Vanda Scartezini via At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanking to Leon to embrace
                  such effort, I am the one encouraging this survey in
                  all regions, worldwide survey. The cost of survey is
                  not how spread it is, regional or universal to collect
                  the data, but to build the right questions, analyze
                  the answers and then present the statistically
                  relevant data with a large annex with the methodology
                  used for such analysis.
                </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>And yes, depending on the
                  data there are several studies we could use, or even
                  just comparing with data we collect.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Ralos can be used to spread
                  the survey inside their regions.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hope we can do such survey.
                </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)">Vanda
                        Scartezini</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)" lang="PT-BR">Polo Consultores Associados</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black" lang="PT-BR"></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)">Land
                        Line: +55 11 3266.6253</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)">Mobile:
                        + 55 11 98181.1464 </span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)">Sorry
                        for any typos. </span></i></b></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From:
                    </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">At-Large
                    <<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
                    on behalf of 'At-Large Worldwide' <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
                    <b>Reply-To: </b>León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>><br>
                    <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 13:21<br>
                    <b>To: </b>Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank">evan@telly.org</a>><br>
                    <b>Cc: </b>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank">greg@isoc-ny.org</a>>,
                    'At-Large Worldwide' <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
                    <b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding
                    Request FY22-05</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">Thanks
                Evan. Just confirming that I am following the discussion
                and that the project will have my support. I will try to
                encourage other Board colleagues to do the same.</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">Kind
                    regards,</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">León</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">El
                          11 may 2021, a las 10:05, Evan Leibovitch via
                          At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
                          escribió:</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">Does a
                                  global survey is more expensive in
                                  terms of bandwidth costs than a
                                  regional pilot?</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Really?</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Is
                                    "Does it cost more to do a global
                                    survey than a regional one?" a
                                    useful question?</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I
                                    would especially like to hear from
                                    those who helped support Jonathan in
                                    identifying the problem and making
                                    the original request. Responding
                                    that we need to have a strategic
                                    approach to determining what we want
                                    to learn from this effort, and then
                                    conducting the research based on
                                    that strategy, is rather stating the
                                    obvious at this point.
                                  </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">The
                                    proposal is not final; it still
                                    needs to be approved by the Board. I
                                    encourage Leon and Avri to support,
                                    and even advocate this when it comes
                                    on their agenda. IMO this proposal
                                    is more than just a funded project;
                                    its approval would be an
                                    unprecedented level of confidence in
                                    At-Large's ability to engage in its
                                    own research, ask its own questions,
                                    and perform its own analysis.
                                    Personally I have always felt that
                                    this is the only form of "outreach"
                                    that actually helps ALAC to perform
                                    its bylaw mandate. If granted it
                                    will be vital to deliver something
                                    useful, even if limited in scope to
                                    accommodate the resources available.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">To
                                    everyone who is interested in
                                    contributing meaningfully to this
                                    effort -- assuming it is approved --
                                    please start giving some thought to
                                    the strategy of what we want from
                                    this. Once there is consensus on
                                    that I think the questions will flow
                                    naturally.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Also
                                    consider that, depending on what we
                                    want from this effort, some of the
                                    raw research may already exist and
                                    be available for purchase. We're not
                                    the only ones who want to know the
                                    utility, safety and reliability of
                                    methods of how the public finds
                                    content and services on the
                                    Internet.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-
                                    Evan</span></p>
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