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Thanks Marita. At some point, down the road, we'll need help a survey firm identify the "population," from which to draw a random sample to survey. This will be guided by the kind of questions we want to ask so THAT is the first task. What would we like to
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 12, 2021 3:23:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">evan@telly.org</a>>; Vanda Scartezini <<a href="mailto:vanda@scartezini.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">vanda@scartezini.org</a>><br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA)  which operates the .ca domain name does occasional outreach exercises to calibrate their community investment program. The link below goes to such a recent survey
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The request is <b>NOT</b> for a survey of RALOs or ALSs or anyone else in the existing ICANN community. This request is for a form of R&D never before done by ALAC.<br>
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It is explicitly designed to avoid the usual channels that have already been done, and to talk to the rest of the world outside the ICANN bubble -- the end-users that ALAC is bylaw-bound to speak for. We need to hear from people who have never even heard the
 terms "ICANN" or "DNS" or "Internet domain" -- let alone know what they are -- yet are deeply impacted by what goes on here. We don't need them to join an ALS or even care about ICANN, but we do need to know their opinions of how DNS policies and practises
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The funding request identifies the flaws in surveys that have been done to date, and ideally would ask questions of random samples of people
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In these cases the cost of the survey is very much determined by how spread it is. Given the amount of the funding at play we can't come close to "everywhere" so we need to work on what limited (but still random) scope will best provide useful analysis.<br>
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<p><span>Thanking to Leon to embrace such effort, I am the one encouraging this survey in all regions, worldwide survey. The cost of survey is not how spread it is, regional or universal to collect the data, but to build the right
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<p><span>And yes, depending on the data there are several studies we could use, or even just comparing with data we collect.</span></p>
<p><span>Ralos can be used to spread the survey inside their regions.</span></p>
<p><span>Hope we can do such survey. </span></p>
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<p><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0,145,147)">Vanda Scartezini</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> on behalf of 'At-Large Worldwide' <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 13:21<br>
<b>To: </b>Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">evan@telly.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">greg@isoc-ny.org</a>>, 'At-Large Worldwide' <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:0.5in">Thanks Evan. Just confirming that I am following the discussion and that the project will have my support. I will try to encourage other Board colleagues to do the same.</p>
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 that we need to have a strategic approach to determining what we want to learn from this effort, and then conducting the research based on that strategy, is rather stating the obvious at this point.
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 comes on their agenda. IMO this proposal is more than just a funded project; its approval would be an unprecedented level of confidence in At-Large's ability to engage in its own research, ask its own questions, and perform its own analysis. Personally I have
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 not the only ones who want to know the utility, safety and reliability of methods of how the public finds content and services on the Internet.</span></p>
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