[At-Large] Opera now lets you ditch boring web links and use emojis instead

sivasubramanian muthusamy 6.internet at gmail.com
Mon Feb 21 06:08:21 UTC 2022


On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 10:06 Karl Auerbach via At-Large <
at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

> As a personal issue I think the notion of emojis in DNS is little more
> than a concession to a (hopefully) passing childish fad.
>
> And from a security perspective (not to mention the confusion of users
> in genera) I have a intuitive sense that it is a fad that contains seeds
> of trouble.
>
> But I'm just one person out of billions of us.  I don't use emojis, but
> it seems that a lot of us do.
>
> And I don't want to be like the voice of Ma Bell in the 1960's loudly
> proclaiming that packet switching and the attachment of foreign devices
> were something to be avoided and banned.
>
> So how do I decide?
>
> So using the rubric of my "first law of the internet" I start with the
> position of "emojis ought to be allowed" on the basis of them being of
> private benefit (although I personally find it hard to see that benefit
> or credit it with value.)
>
> Then I say "but is there a public detriment and if so is it substantial
> enough to block that private benefit?"
>
> As things stand right now I can't clearly and concretely articulate the
> public detriments (although I feel that they are out there) much less
> measure them.
>
> Which, according to my rule means that I would conclude to take no
> action (at this time) against emojis in domain names.


But I'd suggest
> inquiries and research to obtain more concrete information about the
> issue.


+1 Karl. Especially in the context of the challenges to the DNS and Barry's
subsequent comment on emojis being a greenfield free of coordination.

>

(Yes, I realize that my conclusion contains a strong possibility
> that we could end up with an deeply entrenched ill practice.)
>
> Part of this is informed by my belief that the domain name system is
> slowly fading from the public eye; that we are moving into a world in
> which DNS names are becoming more a part of the hidden machinery of the
> net (like MAC addresses) and that higher level naming abstractions,
> things like Twitter names or Facebook handles, are becoming the more
> prevalent forms of naming on the net.
>
> I also am of the belief that on the net attributes are often more
> important than names.  For instance, if I am looking to buy some machine
> screws I care more about the attribute "hardware store" than any
> particular name of such a store.  In that vein I sense that it might be
> a useful endeavor to create a list of attribute types [and for each some
> definition of the possible values].  I'm thinking something like the
> Dublin Core metadata definitions, but of more universal applicability.
> To make use of such a world in which things are known by their
> attributes as much as by their names we would need new protocol and
> server machinery to do the kind of soft lookups that attribute systems
> need.  As is my tendency, I sense that such things might well learn from
> the biological world in which "adequate matching" is often a key to
> survival.
>
>         --karl--
>
>
> On 2/20/22 17:29, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
> > Karl,
> >
> > TL;DR, QED for no emojis in DNS. Thanks.
> >
> > Alejandro Pisanty
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 3:52 PM Karl Auerbach via At-Large
> > <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > <mailto:at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 2/20/22 8:52 AM, sivasubramanian muthusamy via At-Large wrote:
> >
> >      > What does ICANN think about private and often proprietary
> >      > 'innovations' that aspire to "cause a major shift in the way the
> >      > Internet [DNS] works" ?
> >      >
> >     Remember, the Internet came from a rejection of the status-quo, the
> >     world of circuit switching and central control.
> >
> >     The question you asked is not far distant from a question whether we
> >     ought to nail down the Internet in the same way the telcos of the
> first
> >     three quarters of the 20th century ossified the telephone networks.
> >
> >     Ma Bell and other telco's imposed extreme, and often arbitrary,
> limits
> >     on innovation at the edges. Take a look at the 1956 US case regarding
> >     the Hush-a-Phone. (In that case AT&T tried to block the attachment of
> >     what was essentially a plastic hand that would be attached by the
> user
> >     to the mouthpiece of a telephone. At&T made wild claims that that
> would
> >     cause the telephone network to collapse and repairmen would blown off
> >     the top of telephone poles.)  Then look at the Carterphone and MCI
> >     cases.
> >
> >     One of the hallmarks of the Internet is permissionless innovation at
> >     the
> >     edges. Clearly there are balances to be made, but we risk a balance
> >     that
> >     pushes too much control to the center.
> >
> >     Some decades ago I distilled this balance into a short formulation:
> >
> >     First Law of the Internet
> >
> >     + Every person shall be free to use the Internet in any way
> >         that is privately beneficial without being publicly
> >         detrimental.
> >
> >          - The burden of demonstrating public detriment shall
> >            be on those who wish to prevent the private use.
> >
> >              - Such a demonstration shall require clear and
> >                convincing evidence of public detriment.
> >
> >          - The public detriment must be of such degree and extent
> >            as to justify the suppression of the private activity.
> >
> >     https://www.cavebear.com/old_cbblog/000059.html
> >     <https://www.cavebear.com/old_cbblog/000059.html>
> >
> >               --karl--
> >
> >
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