[At-Large] ICANN68 to be a virtual meeting

Judith Hellerstein judith at jhellerstein.com
Tue Apr 14 11:40:52 UTC 2020


Hi Holly
I agree with you and with Olivier and others nothing beats a F2F meeting. It is also why teams who need to get some work done go away to another area to do work since if they are in their home cities they cannot give their full concentration on the project 

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Judith 

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> On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:17 AM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> The short answer for me - very difficult at best.
> 
> When the meetings are in real time and out of tone, one is physically away - not there to take classes, or whatever.  But if one is physically in the country, then the expectation is that you can do your job - and somehow fit in a suite of meetings as well.  Challenge is one of the kinder descriptions .
> 
> Holly
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Just for curiosity, how can you cope with your day job and at the same time attend a F2F meeting?
>> R
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14.04.2020, at 10:33, Dave Kissoondoyal <dave at igf-mu.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I join Greg, Holly, Natalia and others and agree with Olivier 
>>> 
>>> It is a big challenge to cope with the day jobs and at the same time attend the virtual meetings
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> 
>>> Dave Kissoondoyal
>>> 
>>>> On 14/04/2020 09:59, Greg Shatan wrote:
>>>> Agree with Olivier 100%.
>>>> 
>>>> A virtual meeting is a shadow of a F2F.  What we miss at an F2F is not merely “fun”, it is the best opportunity to solve difficult cross-community/sector problems, and to build the relationships that provide the basis for trust to solve these difficult problems.  Even the fun is in part useful fun. 
>>>> 
>>>> While work does get done at a virtual meeting, it’s hardly even a meeting. For me, Cancun was more like a 7 day long conference call “sprint”, while still being expected to keep up with your day job and do the dishes.  Some might call that Hell.
>>>> 
>>>> It’s too early to say what the New Normal is. For the next 12-18 months, we will be in the New Abnormal, not knowing what lies in the other side.
>>>> 
>>>> Greg
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:52 AM Matthias M. Hudobnik <matthias at hudobnik.at> wrote:
>>>>> +1 Glenn,
>>>>>  
>>>>> Happy Eastern!
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Matthias
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>>>>> Von: At-Large [mailto:at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Glenn McKnight
>>>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 11. April 2020 20:32
>>>>> An: Natalia Filina
>>>>> Cc: At Large
>>>>> Betreff: Re: [At-Large] ICANN68 to be a virtual meeting
>>>>>  
>>>>> I think we should be thinking of  how we fit in the "Brave  New World"  and still achieve our  mission.   If we can't  then what is our role?
>>>>> G
>>>>> 
>>>>> Glenn McKnight
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>>>>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:32 PM Natalia Filina <filinafilka at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I fully agree with Olivier,
>>>>> and may add that regionally allocated meetings, 3 times a year, give people from each region the opportunity to attend at least 1 (closer, less expensive if there is no financial sponsor).
>>>>> 
>>>>> And as for new people for At-Large: everyone who started to work without opportunity to get "fellow ticket"  - even a year of online work for newcomers is not enough to begin to understand the processes, discussions and specifics of the interaction of the entire ICANN system. So it relates directly to quality of everyone`s input and effectiveness.
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Natalia Filina
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>>>>> сб, 11 апр. 2020 г. в 16:40, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net>:
>>>>> Not provocative at all, Olivier. We must be careful what we wish for. Unintended consequences are always there to bite back.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marita
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/11/2020 7:16 AM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>> On 11/04/2020 12:29, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
>>>>> And the truth is that ALAC does not have the financial resources that other stakeholder groups have, therefore will be at disadvantage whenever money allocation for activities will be involved.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So is what you are saying, that those who do not have the money like ALAC will meet online, whilst those who do, for example the GDD Summit, will meet face to face? So we've pretty much signed ALAC out having any significant involvement on important topics? Of course I am being provocative here, but we have to be careful about what we wish: if we wish less meetings, that will mean there will probably never be any further meetings outside of North America and Europe since the remaining meetings will be attended by thousands and thousands of people. The inter-meeting "action" (6 months is a long time) will take place in other meetings where we are not invited. IMHO we have to fight to keep that right to be a *all* meetings, not just the big ones. And we also have to fight to keep some meetings taking place in developing economies, or have given up on billions of citizens in these countries? (again I am being provocative :-) ) 
>>>>> Kindest regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Olivier
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