[At-Large] Fwd: ATLASIII Participation

Thu Aug 1 12:33:35 UTC 2019

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On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, 10:10 Wolfgang Kleinwächter, <
wolfgang at kleinwaechter.info> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  Mexico  there was also a discussion to change the At-Large AC into an
> At-Large SO. This make no sense anymore.
>
SO: Agree

But to ask for a second voting seat (to have the same the representation
> like an SO in the Board) could make sense. This could contribute to more
> diversity.
>

SO: Absolutely! my humble self has in the past raised this need, I hope
that it can be one of the outcome of the upcoming ATLAS

> My proposal for Montreal is to define three or four very concrete issues
> and to work on language for short resolutions. This could include issues
> discussed under PDPs or WS2, but also more general issues as
> cyberstability, DNS market development or human rights
>

SO: Indeed - few focused issues with trackable outcomes. I note the Chair
has provided some interesting response.

Regards
PS: Congratulations Wolfgang on your nomcom election/selection - loss/gain
to At-Large; it all depends on who is responding :-)

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> Two cents
>
> Wolfgang
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> Vanda Scartezini <vanda at etges.com.br> hat am 31. Juli 2019 um 22:07
> geschrieben:
>
> Maureen, agree with your points. However it is not my opinion that Mexico
> or London Summit can be perceived as no impact. Anytime we shall analyze
> anything with the perspective of the occasion in time. Like in History
> anyone can criticize any AC/SOs and their constituencies about the poor
> work done if we look to the past with the experiences and demands of the
> present.
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> Mexico was an quite interesting experience to have all ALS from around the
> world experiment work together with their different cultural behavior,
> views of the world and ICAnn etc..
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> London experience was richer with policy discussion going deeply discussed.
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> Certainly reducing the number of participants is positive to achieve a
> more focus content and results.
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> ALAC is the only group embracing the whole world and sometimes is
> difficult for anyone with a more focused approach to understand its
> impact.  What is quite important is the touched community has appropriated
> ALAC spread of knowledge and improved the participation after both summits.
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> Thanks all for sharing different views, we can always enrich the process.
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> *From: *At-Large <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of
> Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 21:09
> *To: *"karl at cavebear.com" <karl at cavebear.com>
> *Cc: *'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] Fwd: ATLASIII Participation
>
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>
> Karl, I am very grateful that you can see what the ALAC is trying to do
> with regards to ATLASIII - developing a roadmap for the future.
>
>
>
> I cannot imagine that ALAC and At-Large is going to miraculously change
> overnight when it has been perceived that we made no positive impacts from
> our previous Summits. However, this time I believe that we are truly
> attempting to offer an event where participants can get a better
> understanding not only of why it is important we take the end-users
> perspective to all discussions that take place in ICANN, but also why it is
> important that we all share common messages to minimise the confusion that
> people have about At-Large. This is being supported already by the weekly
> CPWG meetings and members of this WG who are already committed to this
> model.
>
>
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> I am thankful that the Board made the decision to reduce the ATLAS
> funding, and made us change the way we view Summits and what should aim to
> achieve. This has made us also look not only at what we should do, but also
> how we should go about doing it.
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> Evan is correct, we are not providing a SUMMIT in the traditional sense.
> This was something that had to change with the reduced funding and thus the
> reduced number for whom we could offer travel sponsorship.  We have
> retained the name ATLAS this time because it is still a gathering of
> At-Large members.
>
>
>
> However, the reductions forced us to deal with challenges, especially with
> regards to our selection process and the programme.  One of the positives
> that has come out of this is that the ideas for the development of both
> emerged from discussions with our ATLAS volunteers. The selection process
> came about through some robust discussion by the members which was endorsed
> by the five representatives of the ALAC Leadership Team.  Even though there
> are still the inevitable complaints about inequities, the majority of those
> who were selected, are looking at this as an opportunity to learn more
> about At-Large and to work on its behalf in the future. This is a primary
> goal for this ATLAS - the work for these participants will not end with
> ATLAS in Montreal. There is an expectation of continued engagement even
> after ATLAS - in their regions, in At-Large and in ICANN.  This is where we
> see that ICANN will get value out of this event.
>
>
>
> Because this is a new experience for us, we are still finding our way, but
> I thank the Staff and the Selection Committee for the hard work they
> contributed to the selection of those ATLAS participants that ICANN will
> sponsor for the ATLAS. The ATLAS programme will be more than "just capacity
> building". The five pre-application modules were to ensure that there was
> at least a benchmark that had been achieved by all. And while they were
> basic for many of our experienced members, it was important that everyone
> was at least starting on the same page, albeit at different levels.
>
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> The proposed ATLAS programme will require this knowledge as the groups
> become involved in the main activity which I believe will help them not
> only learn more about how At-Large thinking fits into that of the rest of
> ICANN but also what all the discussions mean to us as end-users.  This is
> the gap of learning we want to close for those newer members of the ATLAS
> group, supported by our more experienced participants. There is no way you
> could offer the same level of learning on a webinar and you wouldn’t be
> able to encourage as much individual participation as will be possible at
> this event.
>
>
>
> Our greatest numbers of participants are justifiably coming from our
> underdeveloped regions. Evan's complaints that there are few NARALO members
> in the ATLAS, yet they are the best served of all the regions with regards
> to ongoing capacity building and updating on latest issues - check out the
> Community Skype chat just about every week. I thank NARALO members for
> opening up the opportunity for other less advantaged At-Large members to
> attend.
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> I am looking forward not only to what we will achieve at our ATLAS but the
> new thinking we can inject into our RALOs and our regions and the work that
> these selected participants will contribute to our At-Large of the future.
>
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> My 2c
>
> Maureen
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> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 7:24 AM Karl Auerbach <karl at cavebear.com> wrote:
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> I agree with your dim assessment in many ways, but not all.
>
> There is something that the ALAC can do, and relatively easily.
>
> The issue of naming is beginning to move beyond the domain name system -
> there will be (and are) issues of naming of "topics" for IoT networking;
> there are issues in cloud computing of entities as they split, move, and
> merge; etc.
>
> Now on one hand there is a lot of technological issues in there - which
> are better left to the IETF and similar groups.
>
> On the other hand there are major non-technical lessons to be learned from
> ICANN of what ought to be done in the world of governance including issues
> of whether-or-not-to-govern, what-to-do, what-not-to-do, ownership
> information access (the whois issue again), etc.
>
> The ALAC of all the bodies in ICANN, is in the best position to step back
> and give an unbiased (at least, commercially unbiased) assessment and
> roadmap for that future.
>
>     --karl--
>
>
>
> On 7/13/19 2:46 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>
> As ICANN enters a period of austerity while it panics its way to
> re-opening the gTLD floodgates, ALAC is at a crossroads. Ridiculed wherever
> it is not written off for its navel-gazing and complete ineffectiveness at
> bringing forth any useful input unique to end users, ALAC struggles for
> legitimacy whether it knows it or not. No wonder ATLAS 3 was so poorly
> funded; ICANN suspects that nothing useful (for its purposes) will come out
> of the current direction of yet more process and more capacity building.
> They think it's a waste of money so they give the minimum they can get away
> with. Who can blame them?
>
>
>
> ALAC had the chance to prove them wrong this time and to do something
> different, to take the time necessary to have the mortally necessary debate
> within ALAC of how it can be relevant to ICANN and revisit how to serve its
> bylaw-stated mission. It needed to counter the awful external ALAC review
> with a thoughtful internal one.
>
>
>
> But no.
>
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> Based on the published objectives of ATLAS 3
> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/71605234/ATLASIII%20Overview%20-%206%20Feb.png?version=1&modificationDate=1549471752000&api=v2>,
> we are in for more of the same:
>
> ·         Leadership Development: another way to say "capacity building",
> training that could be easily be done by webinars and/or the same CBT used
> to deliver "what is ICANN" that would be accessible by anyone, not just the
> 60 attendees
>
> ·         Programming: what are the tasks? "Define and structure",
> "Develop meeting processes". And the outcomes of programming? Reports,
> video interviews, and "fully functional next generation leaders".
>
> IOW, continued navel gazing that seems to be focused most on the
> succession plans of existing leadership. Policy doesn't even get lip
> service, the word isn't mentioned once.
>
>
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> Nothing in the objectives points to how ALAC can actually work better to
> understand what end users need from ICANN and then to communicate those
> needs to the greater community. So why not stop calling it a Summit and
> call it what it is -- Leadership training? Probably because, presented that
> way, it wouldn't have been funded. Let's just say it's unlikely there will
> be an ATLAS 4 once ICANN sees how its money was spent this time.
>
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> - Evan
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