[At-Large] Fwd: ATLASIII Participation
Christian de Larrinaga
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Fri Jul 12 12:53:19 UTC 2019
In no way to detract from any point you are making. But this is the
first I've heard about ATLAS participation or these ICANN courses. I
also have no idea whether this matters in the slightest.
I suspect I am within a mere 99.99999999% of the Internet userbase on
that. I would also argue that I am probably much more aware of ICANN
than most Internet users.
This leads me to feel that ICANN is not an appropriate venue to
represent my interests or views.
C
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
> Dear Vanda,
>
> thank you - that is exactly what I wanted to say. I'll come clean: in
> the preparation phase, I pushed for everyone to follow the same
> courses for two reasons:
>
> 1. Making sure that everybody had reached a high enough level of
> knowledge by the time we get to Montreal, that we do not end up
> wasting time on explaining how, for example, the GNSO works during the
> precious time that we will have face to face. I actually think that
> learning about ICANN this way is a real benefit to end users - it is
> vital knowledge needed to evolve in this environment.
> 2. Making sure that other people in the group, the seasoned members of
> At-Large, knew what level of knowledge everyone was expected to
> achieve prior to the meeting, so that we do not end up with a
> discussion in Montréal that involves 15 expert members of the
> community and the rest not understanding what the heck they are
> talking about.
>
> Whilst I sympathize with people like Evan who have not been selected,
> the complaints about the ICANN learn courses being too long and a
> waste of time and not being bothered to finish them do not have my
> sympathy. Sorry. I took all of the mandatory courses, and in fact I
> also took all of the other ones on the ICANN Learn Web site too, in
> order to find out what was out there. It took me no more than an hour
> per course on the non mandatory ones, namely because in cases where I
> knew the topic well I either fast forwarded the video segments, or ran
> it at a higher speed than the original. I even ended up sending dozens
> of corrections to fix the courses to ICANN Learn staff. And lo and
> behold, I actually came across some real nuggets where I learnt
> something - and this has completed my education, where I can now
> comment on more topics that I better understand than before, in the
> public consultation process. And yes, I am really happy that I took
> the courses, because I enjoy learning more stuff, and I did.
> So 5 x 1 hour = 5 hours. The Group that had to focus on Capacity
> Building asked each other: is it reasonable to ask a volunteer to
> spend 5 hours on a course within the length of 1 month? And the answer
> was YES. This could be done in chunks of 15 minutes, if wanted. It
> was really not a real workload.
> Now I am reading many emails from many people about them not being
> able to complete the courses in time. Well, there were also the
> Webinars, as an even easier alternative. I am sorry this has taken out
> some people, but I would have expected a better and more positive
> response from seasoned participants. My outlook in life is that I am
> never confident enough to think that I do not require a refresher
> course - because the world moves on and I cannot rely solely on my
> past knowledge.
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Olivier
>
> On 11/07/2019 21:34, Vanda Scartezini wrote:
>>
>> Being in ICANN for around 20 years and have been using the e-learning
>> courses for long time in capacitation to others, I was one that felt
>> no real need to attend all courses or webinar.
>>
>> But I did all those, because rules in a worldwide selection are there
>> to be followed, no exception shall be made if there was a selection
>> criteria.
>>
>> I am sorry not to have well prepared people attending ATLAS III, but
>> I see no point in complain against the rules clearer stated before
>> the beginning of the process.
>>
>> best to all
>>
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>> *From: *At-Large <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf
>> of John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 15:02
>> *To: *Humberto Carrasco <hcarrasco at cmsz.cl>
>> *Cc: *'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] Fwd: ATLASIII Participation
>>
>>
>>
>> Indeed
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 1:01 PM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrasco at cmsz.cl
>> <mailto:hcarrasco at cmsz.cl>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear John,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please, do not forget that webinars were an alternative of online
>> courses.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>
>>
>> El 11-07-2019, a la(s) 13:55, John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jlaprise at gmail.com>> escribió:
>>
>> Hi Evan,
>>
>>
>>
>> Simply put, it wasn't about you.
>>
>>
>>
>> The program committee, ALAC and the selection committee
>> agreed that participation in the webinars was a hard
>> requirement. Full stop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Making exceptions would have opened a can of worms we decided
>> to leave sealed, for better or worse.
>>
>> Sent from my Pixel 3XL
>>
>> John Laprise, Ph.D.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 12:49 PM Evan Leibovitch
>> <evan at telly.org <mailto:evan at telly.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Judith.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I applied before the deadline. I committed to take
>> the "how does ICANN work" courses but apparently didn't
>> finish them in time. So apparently I have not
>> sufficiently demonstrated that I understand how ALAC
>> operates within ICANN.
>>
>> (BTW, thouse ICANN learn courses are all aimed at
>> registrants' PoV -- they miss much that is important to
>> end users -- ie, At-Large. But, according to the
>> selection committee, I don't know enough about this kind
>> of thing.)
>>
>>
>>
>> - Evan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 13:28, Judith Hellerstein
>> <judith at jhellerstein.com
>> <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>> wrote:
>>
>> HI Evan,
>>
>> Did you apply? I was not on the evaluating team but
>> as I understand it there were very few applications
>> from NARALO
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judith
>>
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>> On 7/11/2019 1:19 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>>
>> Having been rejected from participating because I
>> would have been such a tourist, I have no comment.
>>
>>
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